Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

Categories

Dark Dreams of Furiae - a new module for NWN:EE! Buy now
Attention, new and old users! Please read the new rules of conduct for the forums, and we hope you enjoy your stay!

COVID-19

1131416181931

Comments

  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 6,084
    24076540-7946487-image-a-47_1580380668096.jpg
    Just leaving this here...

    That dog has an "I'm going to bite you the second you take this damn thing off!" kinda look on its face. :D

    shabadoo
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,003
    Dallas and Tarrant counties in Texas are under "stay at home" orders; not all of Texas is but there are some more remote/isolated counties in West Texas which will never even get one case. I, however, may come and go as I please because I am doubly essential--I work in IT *and* part-time at a grocery store.

    Incidentally, if you go to a grocery store and you see empty shelves then *do not panic*. What you are seeing is a distribution problem, not a supply problem. Demand skyrocketed to "off-the-charts" levels, so the stores all processed massive orders and the warehouses could not fill them all at the same time. The producers are still making product, cows are still producing milk, chickens are still laying eggs, and vegetables are still being processed into cans...but the manufacturers and distribution companies are having difficulty keeping up. The shelves will be full again--I am not looking forward to working those trucks--but it won't be this week. Many stores are receiving half-orders and then stretching them out--they will put out half of what they received the day they receive it then the other half the next day so that everyone gets a chance to get what they need.

    Balrog99MaleficentOneProont
  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 6,240
    Increased restrictions in the UK as well. Those mean pretty much all shops except food and medicines closing. You should go outside only to:
    - do an occasional shop for necessities (home delivery is preferred, but good luck trying to find a slot).
    - one form of exercise a day, with no interaction except with household members.
    - medical or caring need.
    - travel to work if it is not possible to work from home.

    MaleficentOneProont
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 2,108
    chimaera wrote: »
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    Btw: for homemade hand sanitizer, you can use any kind of rubbing alcohol mixed with either aloe vera gel or glycerine, and water (probably 50% water max for virus killing). You can add any essential oil as fragrance if you want (it's not necessary). You can also use 3% hydrogen peroxide instead of water for additional germ fighting (again not necessary). If you don't have any of those you can use straight rubbing alcohol or cheap vodka and just use hand lotion after it dries.

    Edit: 50% alcohol, not water and glycerin/aloe (the inactive ingredients). Just trying to err on the safe side...
    It's not on the safe side. For disinfecting purposes, you'd want an effective concentration of at least 60% ethanol (up to 90%, because pure ethanol is just too fast drying to be as effective).

    Btw, what those "kills 99.99%" advertisements mean in practice is a 4-log reduction in bacterial or viral burden. That's not enough to consider a hand sanitizer a disinfectant.

    What I've heard from doctors is that the best disinfectant is 70% alcohol, 30% water. More than that isn't as effective, although the guidelines are like 60-90% as a general rule?

    https://blog.gotopac.com/2017/05/15/why-is-70-isopropyl-alcohol-ipa-a-better-disinfectant-than-99-isopropanol-and-what-is-ipa-used-for/

    Balrog99
  • jjstraka34jjstraka34 Member Posts: 8,500
    edited March 23
    Dallas and Tarrant counties in Texas are under "stay at home" orders; not all of Texas is but there are some more remote/isolated counties in West Texas which will never even get one case. I, however, may come and go as I please because I am doubly essential--I work in IT *and* part-time at a grocery store.

    Incidentally, if you go to a grocery store and you see empty shelves then *do not panic*. What you are seeing is a distribution problem, not a supply problem. Demand skyrocketed to "off-the-charts" levels, so the stores all processed massive orders and the warehouses could not fill them all at the same time. The producers are still making product, cows are still producing milk, chickens are still laying eggs, and vegetables are still being processed into cans...but the manufacturers and distribution companies are having difficulty keeping up. The shelves will be full again--I am not looking forward to working those trucks--but it won't be this week. Many stores are receiving half-orders and then stretching them out--they will put out half of what they received the day they receive it then the other half the next day so that everyone gets a chance to get what they need.

    This is, at this point, not the calm before the storm, but the rush. In two weeks time, everyone is still going to have a shitload of food and even more toilet paper (I still don't understand this obsession at all). The initial shock of our situation will wear off, people will (hopefully) see that the stores still have everything in them, and this will cease to become an issue. No one at this point should be concerned about disruptions in the food supply.

    As for the really rural areas never getting a case. They may not. They certainly stand much less of a chance. But it really only takes one delivery driver coming in from San Antonio who sneezes into his hand and touches a doorknob to give it to someone from that rural area. And then what seems like an overreaction isn't.

  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 2,108
    edited March 23
    They changed the map to show individual counties in the US now. Makes it a bit harder to use it to track entire states, unfortunately.

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

    ProontMathsorcerer
  • lroumenlroumen Member Posts: 2,087
    edited March 23
    What I've heard from doctors is that the best disinfectant is 70% alcohol, 30% water. More than that isn't as effective, although the guidelines are like 60-90% as a general rule?
    Normal soap needs 15-30 seconds application to get rid of bacteria and viruses.
    For home use 60+% alcohol is fine.
    Hand sanitizer in health care needs to dry in air and requires 70-95% alcohol which gives the same performance as soap and you do not need to dry your hands in towels.
    90+% is in general for surgery or critical areas.


    Proont
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 2,108
    edited March 24
    I included a link that explained all this.

    Here's the relevant bit explaining why 70% is ideal:
    Why Is 70% the Most Effective Concentration of Isopropyl Alcohol for Disinfection?

    Isopropyl alcohol, particularly in solutions between 60% and 90% alcohol with 10 – 40% purified water, is rapidly antimicrobial against bacteria, fungi, and viruses. Once alcohol concentrations drop below 50%, usefulness for disinfection drops sharply. Notably, higher concentrations of alcohol don’t generate more desirable bactericidal, virucidal, or fungicidal properties.

    The presence of water is a crucial factor in destroying or inhibiting the growth of pathogenic microorganisms with isopropyl alcohol. Water acts as a catalyst and plays a key role in denaturing the proteins of vegetative cell membranes. 70% IPA solutions penetrate the cell wall more completely which permeates the entire cell, coagulates all proteins, and therefore the microorganism dies. Extra water content slows evaporation, therefore increasing surface contact time and enhancing effectiveness. Isopropyl alcohol concentrations over 91% coagulate proteins instantly. Consequently, a protective layer is created which protects other proteins from further coagulation.

    Solutions > 91% IPA do kill bacteria, but sometimes require longer contact times for disinfection, and enable spores to lie in a dormant state without being killed. In this analysis, a 50% isopropyl alcohol solution kills Staphylococcus Aureus in less than 10 seconds (pg. 238), yet a 90% solution with a contact time of over two hours is ineffective. Some disinfectants will kill spores with exposures times that exceed 3-12 hours, which are classified as chemical sterilants. So why do higher alcohol solutions yield fewer results for bactericidal and antimicrobial outcomes?

    ProontMathsorcerer
  • MaleficentOneMaleficentOne Member Posts: 211
    Just a reminder for those who are not going out and getting enough sun during this pandemic, Vitamin D. Helps with feeling depressed and the winter blahs.

    smeagolheartGrond0ProontAedan
  • deltagodeltago Member Posts: 7,369
    I survived one week cooped up in my apartment, and now I have not one, but two weeks to go as Ontario is ordering all non-essential work places to close for two weeks starting, 30 minutes ago (Tuesday at midnight). https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ontario-ordering-non-essential-businesses-to-close

    smeagolheartBalrog99Proont
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 2,108
    Governor Inslee announced that everyone should stay home and only go out for food, medical care, other essentials.

    smeagolheartBalrog99Proont
  • shabadooshabadoo Member Posts: 259
    Essential personnel only starting at 8am here. Enforcement might be a bear. What are they going to do, arrest violators and cram cram them all together into jail cells? Citations and fines won't keep people at home.

  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,675
    edited March 24
    Coronavirus: Spanish army finds care home residents 'dead and abandoned'

    _111401487_060773639.jpg

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52014023

    It seems workers left and they did not have staffing or medical resources to care for the residents, and those who died had to be left because they had no choice. They were overwhelmed.

    I can't imagine what life is like there right now - what I've heard of Italy is very scary. Maybe things are different when it seems like the world is actually ending.

    It's a terrifying thought that, in a few weeks, the USA or another country may be in the same situation. I only hope, if it comes to that, that we don't abandon people who are dependent on others.

    Stay inside, don't go out and spread this virus or this will happen again and again all over the world. Don't listen to the idiot American President either.



    Italy's cutoff for life saving ventilators was age 80 the other day. Now it's age 60. If you are over 60 you don't get a breathing machine.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11232070/doctors-italy-ventilators-shortage-coronavirus/

    Balrog99ProontThacoBellAedan
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,648
    Wedding in two minutes
    Because of the risk of infection from the virus, the registry office in Frankfurt has reduced wedding ceremonies to a minimum. As the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung reports, the wedding hall in the Römer is closed, as is the Bolongaropalast in Höchst. Instead, the office offers a replacement room in which registrars and newlyweds are separated from each other by a glass panel. According to the report, relatives and guests are no longer allowed and the wedding speech has been removed altogether from the ceremony. "It's just a matter of yes," said the agency's head, Andrea Hart, to the newspaper. The ceremony was over after two or three minutes.
    Sounds like weddings taking less time than needing to boil instant noodles will become the norm.

    Proontdeltago
  • The user and all related content has been deleted.

    Balrog99ProontMathsorcererBelleSorciere
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,003
    There was a party back on 5 March in Westport, Connecticut which was attended by 50 guests, some of whom then got back on planes and/or traveled around and took something more than memories with them. Half of the attendees have tested positive, making this event a "super spreader" event.

    By tomorrow I will be given a letter that I must carry with me, noting my status as "an essential employee", so that police do not pull me over and ask me why I am outside of my home.

    Good morning, citizen. Papers, please.

    Balrog99deltagoProontZaxares
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 6,084

    By tomorrow I will be given a letter that I must carry with me, noting my status as "an essential employee", so that police do not pull me over and ask me why I am outside of my home.

    Good morning, citizen. Papers, please.

    I got my letter today. It's in my car glovebox. Apparently the chemical industry is 'essential' making me 'expendable'.

  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 6,084
    Anybody else have experiences like this?

    I hardly ever eat cereal but kinda felt like a bowl this morning. I had eight boxes of cereal and thought I was set for the Apocalypse. Except, I found out that my daughter left 5 of the boxes with nothing but dust at the bottom. WTF! I ate the dust with milk if you were wondering what I did...

    ThacoBell
  • lroumenlroumen Member Posts: 2,087
    All I can say is: know your storage.

    Balrog99Proont
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 6,084
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/coronavirus-gender-mortality-intl/index.html

    News flash, the amount of males vs. females showing up for work at my facility is like 8 to 1. I'm not complaining, just stating a fact. I don't think this is unusual, and I'm sure as Hell sure that CNN or the WHO won't be reporting this. Apparently it's because men smoke and drink too much, not that we're more willing to risk working in a crisis...

    shabadooArdanis
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,675
    Jair Bolsanaro's response to the coronavirus crisis in Brazil was to propose a measure where companies could suspend their workers, without pay, for four months.

    After massive public outcry, he changed his mind.

    No idea about website's quality but here's a place it's reported in english...
    https://cryptodictation.com/2020/03/23/bolsonaro-says-he-revoked-part-of-mp-on-wage-cut-for-four-months/

    Balrog99Proont
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 6,084
    Jair Bolsanaro's response to the coronavirus crisis in Brazil was to propose a measure where companies could suspend their workers, without pay, for four months.

    After massive public outcry, he changed his mind.

    No idea about website's quality but here's a place it's reported in english...
    https://cryptodictation.com/2020/03/23/bolsonaro-says-he-revoked-part-of-mp-on-wage-cut-for-four-months/

    Bolsonaro. Man of the people! o:)

    smeagolheart
  • ZaxaresZaxares Member Posts: 1,016
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/coronavirus-gender-mortality-intl/index.html

    News flash, the amount of males vs. females showing up for work at my facility is like 8 to 1. I'm not complaining, just stating a fact. I don't think this is unusual, and I'm sure as Hell sure that CNN or the WHO won't be reporting this. Apparently it's because men smoke and drink too much, not that we're more willing to risk working in a crisis...

    As a general rule, women's immune systems are also stronger than men's (and it's suspected this is because testosterone has a suppressing effect on the immune system). On the other hand, if COVID-19 kills healthy adults through the "cytokine storm" side-effect, then having a more robust immune system could actually be a BAD thing if you catch the disease.

  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 6,084
    Zaxares wrote: »
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/coronavirus-gender-mortality-intl/index.html

    News flash, the amount of males vs. females showing up for work at my facility is like 8 to 1. I'm not complaining, just stating a fact. I don't think this is unusual, and I'm sure as Hell sure that CNN or the WHO won't be reporting this. Apparently it's because men smoke and drink too much, not that we're more willing to risk working in a crisis...

    As a general rule, women's immune systems are also stronger than men's (and it's suspected this is because testosterone has a suppressing effect on the immune system). On the other hand, if COVID-19 kills healthy adults through the "cytokine storm" side-effect, then having a more robust immune system could actually be a BAD thing if you catch the disease.

    Not so far if the statistics are true...

    Grond0
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,675
    edited March 25
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    Jair Bolsanaro's response to the coronavirus crisis in Brazil was to propose a measure where companies could suspend their workers, without pay, for four months.

    After massive public outcry, he changed his mind.

    No idea about website's quality but here's a place it's reported in english...
    https://cryptodictation.com/2020/03/23/bolsonaro-says-he-revoked-part-of-mp-on-wage-cut-for-four-months/

    Bolsonaro. Man of the people! o:)

    Hospital that tested Bolsonaro hides the name of two infected with coronavirus

    Armed Forces Unit reported that 17 tests were positive at the site, but only reported the names of 15 people; president Bolsanaro refuses to show exam. Coincidence?

    https://www.time24.news/n24/2020/03/hospital-that-tested-bolsonaro-hides-the-name-of-two-infected-with-coronavirus.html

    Where's that shirtless guy with the conspiracies on this one lol.

    23 people who were with him in the US tested positive. Only him, the one above all, didn't.

  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 6,084
    Balrog99 wrote: »
    Jair Bolsanaro's response to the coronavirus crisis in Brazil was to propose a measure where companies could suspend their workers, without pay, for four months.

    After massive public outcry, he changed his mind.

    No idea about website's quality but here's a place it's reported in english...
    https://cryptodictation.com/2020/03/23/bolsonaro-says-he-revoked-part-of-mp-on-wage-cut-for-four-months/

    Bolsonaro. Man of the people! o:)

    Hospital that tested Bolsonaro hides the name of two infected with coronavirus

    Armed Forces Unit reported that 17 tests were positive at the site, but only reported the names of 15 people; president Bolsanaro refuses to show exam. Coincidence?

    https://www.time24.news/n24/2020/03/hospital-that-tested-bolsonaro-hides-the-name-of-two-infected-with-coronavirus.html

    Where's that shirtless guy with the conspiracies on this one lol.

    23 people who were with him in the US tested positive. Only him, the one above all, didn't.

    elx17belw68r.jpg

  • MaleficentOneMaleficentOne Member Posts: 211
    edited March 25
    This video has some pretty good info.

    In Italy 99% of people that have passed from COVID did have a health problem.
    Group most vulnerable are those with hypertension.
    Promising antivirals in trial now, 2 to 6 month wait on data.
    Info starts at 7:00 min, before that is introductions.
    The dangers of China running the pharmaceutical world from 47 min/ish
    We are in an Infodemic, social media pushing panic. 1:23:00

    Post edited by MaleficentOne on
    Grond0
Sign In or Register to comment.