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Whispers of Silence

FredNFredN Member Posts: 640
edited September 4 in Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition
I was rather annoyed to find out that my Cloak does not give protection against Oracle, True Sight, Detect Illusion or creatures such as Dragons. Is there in fact any way of countering some or all of those detection abilities?

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  • Humanoid_TaifunHumanoid_Taifun Member Posts: 1,094
    The cloak does work against these spells, but it does not protect normal invisibility.
    It basically only works for the Hide in Shadows skill.
    For other kinds of invisibility, there is Spell Immunity: Divination.
  • FredNFredN Member Posts: 640
    So hiding is not affected, only magical invisibility? OK, that's better, my hiding skill is well over 100. The description of the cloak made it sound as though hiding physically and being magically invisible were both treated the same by those high level Divination spells. Nice to know that isn't the case; thanks.
  • jmerryjmerry Member Posts: 4,139
    So, the "non-detection" effect does one very specific thing. It protects against the "reveal invisible creatures" effect. Which Oracle and True Sight do.

    But. Oracle and True Sight also have an effect that dispels illusory protections. Such as Invisibility, Improved Invisibility, Mirror Image, and Non-Detection (the spell). A non-detection effect does not help at all against this; if your source of invisibility is just about anything except natural stealth, it's an illusory protection that gets dispelled, and thus these spells reveal you anyway. Also, because of how the effects are ordered, the Non-Detection spell is completely ineffective against Oracle and True Sight; first Non-Detection gets dispelled, then the divination attack tries to reveal you if you're still invisible, and it'll succeed because you don't have that non-detection effect anymore.

    So, because Oracle and True Sight are common among enemy spellcasters, about the only form of non-detection that's ever useful in this game is the cloak worn by someone with natural stealth capability.
  • FredNFredN Member Posts: 640
    1)>But. Oracle and True Sight also have an effect that dispels illusory protections. Such as Invisibility, Improved Invisibility, Mirror Image, and Non-Detection (the spell). A non-detection effect does not help at all against this; if your source of invisibility is just about anything except natural stealth, it's an illusory protection that gets dispelled, and thus these spells reveal you anyway<
    2)>So, because Oracle and True Sight are common among enemy spellcasters, about the only form of non-detection that's ever useful in this game is the cloak worn by someone with natural stealth capability.<
    .....All very complicated sounding. But I do hide fairly well. Hide is at 150%, move silently 130%. So, am I to conclude that they won't be able to detect me when I am wearing my cloak?
  • Humanoid_TaifunHumanoid_Taifun Member Posts: 1,094
    Reread his last line.
  • FredNFredN Member Posts: 640
    >Reread his last line.<
    Yes, I know what he said. I like having explicit confirmation; sue me.
  • Humanoid_TaifunHumanoid_Taifun Member Posts: 1,094
    So reread my first post.
  • FredNFredN Member Posts: 640
    Oooh! I got one for you. Suppose I hide, then drink a potion of invisibility. Am I both types of stealthed at once, or does one take precedence over the other?
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