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[(BG1, BG2)Bug] Chromatic Orb (SPWI118.SPL) inflicts save on caster; damage is negated on save(0914)

IgneousIgneous Member Posts: 368
edited September 2012 in Fixed
Current behaviour: There are several problems with Chromatic Orb.

1. According to the dialogue bar, the 1st-level version of the spell sporadically (i.e., ~50% of the time) subjects the caster to a saving throw (see attached screenshots). This does not preclude the saving throw subjected to the spell's target. Also, though I've tested for this phenomenon numerous times, the caster never seems to fail this erroneous save. The save is applied only when casting the 1st-level version of Chromatic Orb; caster levels 2-7 appear unaffected.

2. The 1st-level version of the spell is not applying its Blindness effect to the target upon a failed save. The feedback string is not displayed in the dialogue bar (e.g., "Firbead Elvenhair- Blindness"), nor do they suffer from the effects of Blindness. The secondary effects of higher-level versions of Chromatic Orb appear to apply correctly.

3. If the target of the spell makes a successful save, all effects of the spell are negated, including damage, in contrast to the spell's description, which states that the damage is applied even on a successful save. This applies to all caster level versions of the spell.

4. If cast at a neutral NPC, a successful save will result in the NPC not turning hostile, a likely consequence of successful saves erroneously negating all effects.

Expected behaviour: The 1st-level version of Chromatic Orb should not subject the caster to a saving throw, and should correctly apply the Blindness effects to the spell's target upon a failed saving throw. Targets who make successful saves against the spell should still be subjected to the spell's damage. Targetting neutrals NPCs with the spell should turn them hostile.

Games affected: BGEE, BG1/BG2 (to varying degrees).

Notes: These problems look to be holdovers from vanilla BG1.

In BG1: The caster is subjected to the erroneous save at 1st level. The 1st-level Blindness effects are not applied. All effects are negated upon a successful save, though this was intentional in BG1 and is consistent with the BG1 spell description. Successful saves don't turn neutrals hostile.

In BG2: The 1st-level Blindness effects are not applied.

These bugs are still present as of Build 0629.

Post edited by Bhryaen on


  • IgneousIgneous Member Posts: 368
    Update: These bugs are still present as of Build 0629.

  • CamDawgCamDawg Member, Developer Posts: 3,420
    edited July 2012
    Building upon and expanding on @Igneous report... this is what we found with Fixpack for the mage (spwi118) and avenger version (spdr101) of the spell:
    • Cast at level one, spell duration is incorrect (10 seconds instead of 6) and the AC penalty is applied to the caster not the target. The Orb is not causing the blindness icon or the string 'blinded'. The bad target is what is causing the save reported by @Igneous in 1, above, and the blindness failure is mentioned in 2.
    • At level five durations are also wrong (20 or 120 instead of 30) and one of the effects (display icon) has an incorrect power level
    • At level 10 the string bypasses magic resistance, meaning the target could resist the actual effect but the dialogue window will report target as 'petrified' (or induce a save)
    • At level 12 the slay effect also bypasses magic resistance
    In BGEE the higher level spell headers (7+) have been removed, but they're still present in the avenger version and need these fixes.

    3. If the target of the spell makes a successful save, all effects of the spell are negated, including damage, in contrast to the spell's description, which states that the damage is applied even on a successful save. This applies to all caster level versions of the spell.
    In the file itself, the bogstandard damage has no save; if this is the observed behavior then we probably need to look at the engine. Note that the 'burn damage' at level 3 can be saved against, though the regular damage has no save.
    4. If cast at a neutral NPC, a successful save will result in the NPC not turning hostile, a likely consequence of successful saves erroneously negating all effects.
    Hostile flag is set correctly, so worth looking at in BGEE as well.

  • SethDavisSethDavis Member Posts: 1,812
    @CamDawg - O_O well.... I'm glad I didn't have to try and figure that out lol. Thanks

  • CamDawgCamDawg Member, Developer Posts: 3,420
    @SethDavis Heh, be sure to avert your eyes when I get around to posting the 'Immunities Don't Suppress All Effects' code.

  • SethDavisSethDavis Member Posts: 1,812
    edited July 2012
    checking this one now

    blech, if it's possible whoever made that spell was greener than me.

    Potentially fixed - @CamDawg 's fix has been applied and I have mangled the spell file and added the icon/string for blindness into the effect's onAdd function. This will cause redundant messages any time a spell/item effect adds blindness and a displayString for it.

    Post edited by SethDavis on
  • Avenger_teambgAvenger_teambg Member, Developer Posts: 5,862
    edited August 2012
    Confirmed mangled - the spell is no longer safely loaded in editor :D
    The description talks about higher than 7th levels, but those are not in the file, well, i guess this is because it is bg1?
    The stunned icon is displayed without saving throw (in level 5)

  • SethDavisSethDavis Member Posts: 1,812
    edited August 2012
    Ah, i forgot to take the icon/strings out of SPDR101.SPL - too much to hope that that was the one causing problems?

    I'll try to add in the save now.

  • Avenger_teambgAvenger_teambg Member, Developer Posts: 5,862
    edited August 2012
    If you asked me about the editor problems, then nah, it was because some effect was removed without updating the effect block. There is an increasing amount of these due to the usage of weidu scripts that won't properly update the effect block size. I saw lots of potions unable to load too. Please note, these will cause problems with other simpler modding tools. Not sure about NI, probably it survives with mild complaints :)
    @CamDawg can you post your future WeiDU scripts to not cause this problem?

  • CamDawgCamDawg Member, Developer Posts: 3,420
    NI shows these as properly indexed, 3306 bytes. Clean 0730 install.

  • SethDavisSethDavis Member Posts: 1,812
    >.< that's not good. might have to round up the lot of them near the end and see if we can fix the size/offsets

    fixed the saves/strings though I think

  • Avenger_teambgAvenger_teambg Member, Developer Posts: 5,862
    I retract the mangledness. Though @CamDawg, my freshly download spwi118.spl is only 2026 bytes long :)
    Full hexdump here:

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    0702h Parameter 2 00000000
    0706h Timing method 00
    0707h Resistance 01
    0708h Duration 00000078
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    070dh Min. prob. 00
    070eh Resource
    0716h Min level 00000000
    071ah Max level 00000000
    071eh S. throw type 00000001
    0722h S. throw bonus 00000000
    0726h UNKNOWN 00000000
    072ah Feat block 31
    072ah Opcode 008d
    072ch Target type 02
    072dh Power 01
    072eh Parameter 1 00000000
    0732h Parameter 2 00000019
    0736h Timing method 01
    0737h Resistance 01
    0738h Duration 00000000
    073ch Max. prob. 64
    073dh Min. prob. 00
    073eh Resource
    0746h Min level 00000000
    074ah Max level 00000000
    074eh S. throw type 00000000
    0752h S. throw bonus 00000000
    0756h UNKNOWN 00000000
    075ah Feat block 32
    075ah Opcode 008b
    075ch Target type 02
    075dh Power 01
    075eh Parameter 1 000036db
    0762h Parameter 2 00000000
    0766h Timing method 01
    0767h Resistance 01
    0768h Duration 00000000
    076ch Max. prob. 64
    076dh Min. prob. 00
    076eh Resource
    0776h Min level 00000000
    077ah Max level 00000000
    077eh S. throw type 00000001
    0782h S. throw bonus 00000000
    0786h UNKNOWN 00000000
    078ah Feat block 33
    078ah Opcode 00ae
    078ch Target type 02
    078dh Power 01
    078eh Parameter 1 00000000
    0792h Parameter 2 00000000
    0796h Timing method 04
    0797h Resistance 01
    0798h Duration 00000078
    079ch Max. prob. 64
    079dh Min. prob. 00
    079eh Resource EFF_E05
    07a6h Min level 00000000
    07aah Max level 00000000
    07aeh S. throw type 00000001
    07b2h S. throw bonus 00000000
    07b6h UNKNOWN 00000000
    07bah Feat block 34
    07bah Opcode 008e
    07bch Target type 02
    07bdh Power 00
    07beh Parameter 1 00000000
    07c2h Parameter 2 00000037
    07c6h Timing method 00
    07c7h Resistance 00
    07c8h Duration 00000078
    07cch Max. prob. 64
    07cdh Min. prob. 00
    07ceh Resource
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    07e2h S. throw bonus 00000000
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  • Avenger_teambgAvenger_teambg Member, Developer Posts: 5,862
    edited August 2012
    Well, chromatic orb's description was wiped :(
    The strref in the tlk table at 12174 is intact. So, if there was no problem with that bg1 description, just fix both spl.
    Otherwise the effects seem correct everywhere.
    Lets say: confirmed not fixed

  • TanthalasTanthalas Member Posts: 6,738

    Looks like this one just needs the spell description and tooltip back.

  • lansounetlansounet Member Posts: 1,182
    edited August 2012

    Post edited by lansounet on
  • lansounetlansounet Member Posts: 1,182
    Dun dun dun... I was checking description from BG2. Damn inconstistency between both games.
    Well there is still the thing about lvl5 ability's display string/portrait icon.

    If we want to stay in line with BG1 save vs. spell negates everything, damage and effect.

  • Avenger_teambgAvenger_teambg Member, Developer Posts: 5,862
    Huh, you are right, level 5 has 2 effects without setting spell saving throw. @CamDawg

  • Avenger_teambgAvenger_teambg Member, Developer Posts: 5,862
    Problem was that the patch above sets only the 'resistance' field, not the saving throw type field.

  • lansounetlansounet Member Posts: 1,182
    edited August 2012
    SPDR101 is still the BG2 version of Chromatic Orb.

    SPWI118 is currently a mix between BG1 and BG2.

    So which is it?
    - BG1 spell, which has more chances to affect target but a save negates everything. Only the effect of current caster level is used.
    - BG2 spell with high save bonus against secondary effect (+6) but damage can't be saved against. Caster has access to orb colors of his current level and below.
    - Keep as it is and update description

  • TanthalasTanthalas Member Posts: 6,738
    I think we should just import the BG2 version of the spell to keep everything consistent.

  • lansounetlansounet Member Posts: 1,182
    Nobody picked it up so I tried to do some things with it in NI, but before listing the changes, one question :

    - Description is currently from BG1 (strref 12174), it only accounts for effects up to level 7, which is the highest level reachable in vBG1 (sans ToTSC), with ToTSC you could reach up to lvl 9, in BGEE probably lvl 10. What do we do with these levels?

    Attached file is a corrected spwi118, strictly conforming to BG1 description :

    - Added a save vs. spell for lvl5 spell ability to display string/portrait icon effects.
    - Added save vs. spell to all damage effects.
    - Corrected strref (12174).

    Observations :

    - Might as well make a copy of it and rename to SPDR101 (Avenger's Chromatic Orb resref).
    - With the BG1 behaviour (spell abilty used is that of the latest obtained level), it is a bit too strong at lvl5. So much that you might as well skip lvl6 until you reach lvl7 required experience and fill your lvl1 memorization slots with Chromatic Orb (Edwin + Ring of Wizardry, stun galore with no bonus on save)

    Can we have a consensus on this spell? You can tell I care much this spell :p

  • lansounetlansounet Member Posts: 1,182
    edited August 2012
    Removed fixed BG1 spell if we're gonna use BG2 version.

    Post edited by lansounet on
  • TanthalasTanthalas Member Posts: 6,738
    Well, I'll just repeat my opinion, I think the spell should adhere to the BG2 description.

    I can't comment on balance issues though.

    Lol, now that I think about it, we should check if Daevorn (sp?) isn't a pushover now that he's back to being human.

  • lansounetlansounet Member Posts: 1,182
    edited August 2012
    He's back to human but he has custom items (magebrac/mage05), like most bosses, granting him many immunities. He had them in vBG1 too anyway (albeit less fleshed out ones), no idea why he was labelled an Ankheg.

    Tanthalas said:

    Well, I'll just repeat my opinion, I think the spell should adhere to the BG2 description.

    I mostly agree there but the save bonus (-6) from BG2 is a bit harsh for BG1 IMO when you don't have Greater Malison (though there's still Doom, Chant(bad), and uh... something?)

  • TanthalasTanthalas Member Posts: 6,738
    Hmm, well, we can either halve that save bonus and remove some utility from the spell in BG2EE or we can implement a complicated function to the spell where the save bonus is modified with the level of the caster so that it can stay balanced for BGEE and BG2EE.

  • lansounetlansounet Member Posts: 1,182
    A bit more thought leads me to think BG2 version is just fine actually, never seen people complain about it from BGT standpoint (don't know if Tutu restores BG1 spells or uses BG2 resources).

    Anyone else wants to chime in? BG1 vs BG2 vs middle-ground-mix?

  • lansounetlansounet Member Posts: 1,182
    I'm not giving up so easily.

    Has a decision been made about which version of that spell to use?

  • CamDawgCamDawg Member, Developer Posts: 3,420
    I think we've been using BG2 spells more or less across the board.

  • lansounetlansounet Member Posts: 1,182
    edited August 2012
    @CamDawg Okay I'll be pulling up my vBG2 version and see if anything is wrong with it. Surely you would know if fixpack already touches that one? Guess I'll check the shiny new doc before you answer that :)

    EDIT : Well quite a bunch indeed. So what's the course of action? Provide vBG2 file (they surely have it though) and apply WeiDU magic ripped from fixpack, or just provide fixpack'd file?

  • lansounetlansounet Member Posts: 1,182
    Ringing some bells @SethDavis for a word on this, please xoxo

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