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Swashbuckler w BackStab?

ksSilkstepperksSilkstepper Member Posts: 7
edited December 2012 in Archive (General Discussion)
1) I stumbled across a few threads about actually upping Backstab on a Swashy but I think they might have only been referencing BG2. Is there any item that increases BS in BG EE?

2) Also second question. Can a swashy make a BS attack for just normal dmg? But with increased THACO?
Post edited by Tanthalas on

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  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,642
    2) I think anytime you attack while hidden/invisible you get a bonus to THAC0, doesn't even have to be a thief, and you don't have to be positioned behind the person.
  • swnmcmlxiswnmcmlxi Member Posts: 297
    1) The Short Sword of Backstabbing adds 1 to the backstab multiplier.
  • TJ_HookerTJ_Hooker Member Posts: 2,438
    edited December 2012
    swnmcmlxi said:

    1) The Short Sword of Backstabbing adds 1 to the backstab multiplier.

    I'm not sure, but I think this is only true with mods. I forget which one, but I want to say Rogue Rebalancing.
    Post edited by TJ_Hooker on
  • MorvianMorvian Member Posts: 24
    Stalker - Swashbuckler with backstabbing, spellcasting, and better weapon choices. No thieving skills though. With all the NPC thieves that's rarely an issue.
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,642
    swnmcmlxi said:

    1) The Short Sword of Backstabbing adds 1 to the backstab multiplier.

    Not in vanilla. In vanilla it's just a Short Sword +3 with no other special properties.

  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited December 2012
    Awong124 said:

    2) I think anytime you attack while hidden/invisible you get a bonus to THAC0, doesn't even have to be a thief, and you don't have to be positioned behind the person.

    I know you don't get backstab damage (or better attack rolls) if you attack from sanctuary. Unless perhaps if you are using hide in shadows while in sanctuary (but that is all totally irrelevant to a swashbuckler unless they are dual classed to a cleric).
  • swnmcmlxiswnmcmlxi Member Posts: 297
    edited December 2012
    Awong124 said:

    swnmcmlxi said:

    1) The Short Sword of Backstabbing adds 1 to the backstab multiplier.

    Not in vanilla. In vanilla it's just a Short Sword +3 with no other special properties.

    True, I looked at the BGEE one.
    EDIT: No, I didn't, I looked at the one in my modded BG2 install. Forgot that I had changed SK's target. So, put my foot in my mouth again, and even with mustard it didn't taste very well.
    Post edited by swnmcmlxi on
  • jolly_bbjolly_bb Member Posts: 122
    It's a shame D&D does not give swashy at least x1.5 backstab. Otherwise i'd play it all the time...
  • DeucetipherDeucetipher Member Posts: 521
    Weird, I just looked through the .itms, and the only weapon with a backstab bonus is something called the Viper's Edge, which looks awesome. Must be a black Pits thing, which I haven't tried yet.


    This sword is one cool item, I gotta admit. Cursed, but can petrify, annihilate undead, knockback, poison, paralyze and charm, all on hit. Also boosts dex, penalizes CON, +1 apr, improved backstab, regeneration.

    Heavy drawbacks though: minus con, chance of poisoning, chance to berserk, cause wild surges in nearby mages, intolerance to heal pots, -10% hp
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,642
    elminster said:

    Awong124 said:

    2) I think anytime you attack while hidden/invisible you get a bonus to THAC0, doesn't even have to be a thief, and you don't have to be positioned behind the person.

    I know you don't get backstab damage (or better attack rolls) if you attack from sanctuary. Unless perhaps if you are using hide in shadows while in sanctuary (but that is all totally irrelevant to a swashbuckler unless they are dual classed to a cleric).
    Sanctuary just makes it so they can't target you, but they can still see you, so it would make sense that you won't get a bonus to THAC0.
  • Oxford_GuyOxford_Guy Member Posts: 3,729
    jolly_bb said:

    It's a shame D&D does not give swashy at least x1.5 backstab. Otherwise i'd play it all the time...

    The swashie doesn't need any further buffs, it's already one of the strongest (if more boring) thief kits
  • ZanathKariashiZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869
    It's from rogue-rebalancing, the PnP Shortsword of backstabbing. In the original version it simply added +1 BS (and hit as +5, but still only +3 hit/damage), and allowed swashies to get x2. They corrected it in the next version so that it would only apply the bonus to Assassins, thieves, and bounty hunters. Stalkers couldn't use it.

    The swashbuckler doesn't need backstab. Just make a fighter/thief, since that's what you're basically asking for. Nearly fighter thac0, speicalization, better attacks per round (instead of a straight + damage), can still backstab, levels reasonably fast (barely slower then a swashy really) if you dual at 9 or just make a F/T multi.
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