bug or feature - potion bonuses stacking?

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Woo

The whole point of Intelligence is obsolete. get ALL scrolls ingame, drink Xpotions to get 19int(enough to learn all spells per level) and learn away, never need more than 4 pots(dont even need 4 too). 4x4=16+9=25 tada you have god level int. This is a huge exploit, Roll your fighter thief mage up, need 18 str/dex/con/but 9 int = a lot of free points to throw around. This is super abusive. This gives any mage or mage multi class upwards of 9-10 free stat points.

Also enemies can randomly drop these potions now, and also random spawns are common which means technically there is an infinite supply if you are patient and don't cheat

On top of this there is also mind focusing potions which are +3 dex+3int those are super exploitable too...

but a cloak that lets you charm people... better watch out.

TJ_Hooker

Woo said:

The whole point of Intelligence is obsolete. get ALL scrolls ingame, drink Xpotions to get 19int(enough to learn all spells per level) and learn away, never need more than 4 pots(dont even need 4 too). 4x4=16+9=25 tada you have god level int. This is a huge exploit, Roll your fighter thief mage up, need 18 str/dex/con/but 9 int = a lot of free points to throw around. This is super abusive. This gives any mage or mage multi class upwards of 9-10 free stat points.

Also enemies can randomly drop these potions now, and also random spawns are common which means technically there is an infinite supply if you are patient and don't cheat

On top of this there is also mind focusing potions which are +3 dex+3int those are super exploitable too...

but a cloak that lets you charm people... better watch out.

It's not quite as easy as you make it seem, because if you wait until you get all or most of the spells before you start copying them to your spellbook, that means that you've spent a significant amount of time with your only the few spells you start with. Overall you're better off with at least a decent INT so that you can memorize (oops, used the wrong word here) copy some spells at least somewhat reliably, and save the potions for spells that you really don't want to risk failing to copy.

Also, you kinda have a bug up your ass about them nerfing Algernon's Cloak, hey?

Woo

TJ_Hooker said:

Woo said:

The whole point of Intelligence is obsolete. get ALL scrolls ingame, drink Xpotions to get 19int(enough to learn all spells per level) and learn away, never need more than 4 pots(dont even need 4 too). 4x4=16+9=25 tada you have god level int. This is a huge exploit, Roll your fighter thief mage up, need 18 str/dex/con/but 9 int = a lot of free points to throw around. This is super abusive. This gives any mage or mage multi class upwards of 9-10 free stat points.

Also enemies can randomly drop these potions now, and also random spawns are common which means technically there is an infinite supply if you are patient and don't cheat

On top of this there is also mind focusing potions which are +3 dex+3int those are super exploitable too...

but a cloak that lets you charm people... better watch out.

It's not quite as easy as you make it seem, because if you wait until you get all or most of the spells before you start copying them to your spellbook, that means that you've spent a significant amount of time with your only the few spells you start with. Overall you're better off with at least a decent INT so that you can memorize some spells at least somewhat reliably, and save the potions for spells that you really don't want to risk failing to copy.

Also, you kinda have a bug up your ass about them nerfing Algernon's Cloak, hey?

It's a fucking joke thats how easy it is. Int does not determine spells if you can memorize spells, only scribe them. Save potions? go buy them at the temple outside FAI... or in BG etc..

It is only not REALLY easy(it is still easy) if you plan to SOLO with a mage, otherwise you can carry your mage to that point EASILY... also even starting the game "Sleep" will get you through 80% of the game which is a level 1 spell you can start with. Overall you are better off putting points into useful stats like dex or str or con... even charisma has more function at this point than int.. buy those int pots for cheaper


It's only a little bit to do with the cloak, and largely to do with hypocrisy and willful ignorance, stating something like potion stacking is acceptable, but not letting a singular item work the way it was made is stupid and pathetic. Doesn't hypocrisy and willful ignorance bother you... sorry get "a bug up your ass"?

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Woo

tilly said:

4 - if potions of strength granted bonuses and the bonuses were added on top of one another, there would be serious abuse. Maybe that's why strength potions only grant specific levels of strength?


(EDIT - for the off chance that pics are desired:
9 intelligence
13 intelligence - 1 potion of genius
21 intelligence - 3 potions of genius
spell limit abuse!)

Potions of X Giant str give X str because that is the str said giant possess. no other reason. if it was "potion of strength" then it would give +x or w/e but it sets str to equal of named giants.

TJ_Hooker

Woo said:

Int does not determine spells if you can memorize spells, only scribe them.

Yeah, my bad. I knew that, just used the wrong word.

Woo said:

It's only a little bit to do with the cloak, and largely to do with hypocrisy and willful ignorance, stating something like potion stacking is acceptable, but not letting a singular item work the way it was made is stupid and pathetic. Doesn't hypocrisy and willful ignorance bother you... sorry get "a bug up your ass"?

I really don't know what to say to this, other than try to relax and remember that it's just a game.

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Woo said:

It's a fucking joke thats how easy it is. Int does not determine spells if you can memorize spells, only scribe them. Save potions? go buy them at the temple outside FAI... or in BG etc..

It is only not REALLY easy(it is still easy) if you plan to SOLO with a mage, otherwise you can carry your mage to that point EASILY... also even starting the game "Sleep" will get you through 80% of the game which is a level 1 spell you can start with. Overall you are better off putting points into useful stats like dex or str or con... even charisma has more function at this point than int.. buy those int pots for cheaper

It's only a little bit to do with the cloak, and largely to do with hypocrisy and willful ignorance, stating something like potion stacking is acceptable, but not letting a singular item work the way it was made is stupid and pathetic. Doesn't hypocrisy and willful ignorance bother you... sorry get "a bug up your ass"?

So you're "burdened" with the freedom to abuse the rules and you're frustrated with the developers for giving you this power? Why not exercise some self-control and restrain yourself from "abusing" the system? Or do you need external constraints (i.e., more control over your options) in order to feel like you're playing the game properly?

I'd rather not have "nanny-statism" seep into the gaming world as well.

Woo

Mortianna said:

Woo said:

It's a fucking joke thats how easy it is. Int does not determine spells if you can memorize spells, only scribe them. Save potions? go buy them at the temple outside FAI... or in BG etc..

It is only not REALLY easy(it is still easy) if you plan to SOLO with a mage, otherwise you can carry your mage to that point EASILY... also even starting the game "Sleep" will get you through 80% of the game which is a level 1 spell you can start with. Overall you are better off putting points into useful stats like dex or str or con... even charisma has more function at this point than int.. buy those int pots for cheaper

It's only a little bit to do with the cloak, and largely to do with hypocrisy and willful ignorance, stating something like potion stacking is acceptable, but not letting a singular item work the way it was made is stupid and pathetic. Doesn't hypocrisy and willful ignorance bother you... sorry get "a bug up your ass"?

So you're "burdened" with the freedom to abuse the rules and you're frustrated with the developers for giving you this power? Why not exercise some self-control and restrain yourself from "abusing" the system? Or do you need external constraints (i.e., more control over your options) in order to feel like you're playing the game properly?

I'd rather not have "nanny-statism" seep into the gaming world as well.

This is complete shit, first of all I am not burdened with freedom, It is burden because of LOSS OF FREEDOM. How is an "Enhanced" edition enhanced if it is actually a lesser model/copy? Oh and do tell how DO you play a game PROPERLY that is based off of the USE OF IMAGINATION...

calling Algernon's Cloak a bug because it has 65k charges AS IT HAS ALWAYS since original release of BG1 but then allowing potions to stack etc... thats hypocrisy That wand of Fireball with 30 charges, thats a bug too just like the cloak, better make that once per day too. better yet if only 1 use per day on cloak is acceptable, and nothing more better stop/limit casters to only memorizing charm spells once each per day too. Otherwise as someone said earlier somewhere else on these forums, It turns many encounters into a joke/makes too easy.

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LadyRhian

@Woo, you need to calm down. Taking out your ire on other people is not on in these boards. This thread now has mod attention. Keep it cool and civil, guys.

Avenger_teambg

I think balancing like this can be left to mods.

hook71

@Jalily

Could you fix the "Duratioin" of the Potion of Genius?

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Jalily

hook71 said:

@Jalily

Could you fix the "Duratioin" of the Potion of Genius?

Fixed.

tilly said:

*pout* ^_^' I... I probably saw it before! Yeah, that's right... maybe. ^-^'

... Oh, now I'm totally going to bring up that comma splice I saw in dialogue. Be all nitpicky and everything.

Do it!! And tag me.

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