The Ultimate Cleric/Mage Milticlass Question.

MurrayConfederacy

Why on earth does the mage part of the class have less spells per level than an ordinary mage when the cleric part progresses normally?

Icecreamtub

MurrayConfederacy

erm... I know it is normal, I was wondering why?

I couldn't find a spell progression table for a cleric/mage anywhere either

ElysianEchoes

Does it have less spells than an ordinary mage, or less spells than a specialist mage? Aside from gnome thief/illusionist, I don't think you can be a specialist mage when you multiclass. A specialist mage gets an extra spell per level, is that what is missing?

ZanathKariashi

Also clerics get extra spells per level for high wisdom. ALSO Clerics get more spells per spell level because clerics only have 7 levels of spells, mages have 9 levels of spells. All in all, they end up about the same spells per day really, overall, unless you have a REALLY high wisdom.

Icecreamtub

@MurrayConfederacy Sorry, I don't think I explained that very well... I'm a little tired, haha. ^^;

Oh, I understand your question now.

Because of a Cleric/Mage (As Zanath said, only Gnomes can be a "Specialist" mage, which gain extra spell memory spaces.) you roll a Mage, rather than, for example, an Evoker Mage, which would get more spells but loses the ability to scribe scrolls of the opposite school to it.

I hope that's solved your question ^^

(As far as I'm aware, Clerics are not affected by multiclassing as a Cleric or Priest of -God Name Here-. They just get bonus memory slots according to their Wisdom)

MurrayConfederacy

@Icecreamtub Thank you, I probably should have checked this before posting the question, it seems that non-specialist mages only get one spell at level one. Thanks for the help as well @ZanathKariashi and @ElysianEchoes! I was under the impression that a high intelligence meant more spells per level but means instead more "memorised spells" per level.

Icecreamtub

@MurrayConfederacy No problemo :] Happy Bging!

Yeah, I was under the impression for a long time that more INT meant more spells. So... Essentially... Do mages even need any INT, at all? Haha. Since it only sets X amount of memorized spells. :[

MurrayConfederacy

@Icecreamtub http://www.pocketplane.net/volothamp/bgguide.htm This tells us what they all do, thank fudge for Volothamp. In the App A: Tables.

atcDave

Higher Intelligence makes it easier to learn new spells and affects the number of spells per level you can keep in your spell book. It also affects the highest level spells you can cast (18 for 9th level spells) which won't come into play in BG1.
You absolutely want an 18 intelligence for a Mage.

TJ_Hooker

atcDave said:

It also affects the highest level spells you can cast (18 for 9th level spells) which won't come into play in BG1.
You absolutely want an 18 intelligence for a Mage.

I'm 99% sure this wasn't implemented in BG 1&2.

Madhax

TJ_Hooker said:

atcDave said:

It also affects the highest level spells you can cast (18 for 9th level spells) which won't come into play in BG1.
You absolutely want an 18 intelligence for a Mage.

I'm 99% sure this wasn't implemented in BG 1&2.

Agreed. Most of the NPC mages wouldn't be able to cast level 9 spells under this rule.

They implemented it in IWD, though, much to my frustration.

ZanathKariashi

Yeah, it's not implemented, despite actually being in the intelligence bonuses 2da...it's just not being enforced. Also the divine failure chance for 12 and lower wisdom isn't implemented either. Not that Mr. Screw-the-dualclass-rules-I'm-a-prick! would care even if it was implemented.