Strength hit bonus bugged?

namelessone

I just started playing and rolled a kensai with 18/60 strength and two dots in Long Swords.
I am still only getting THAC0 18, even though I should be having +3 from strength alone. Am I missing something or is this a bug?

TJ_Hooker

Actually you only get +2 to hit with 18/60 strength, but that still doesn't explain why you're only getting 16 18 THAC0, as you should get an additional +1 to hit from weapon specialization. So yeah, I'm not sure what's going on there.

and_then_or

I'm not sure whats up with this. I'm playing a F/M/T and putting pips in single weapons proficiency. It seemed to me, when I was 1 level/ that my AC and THAC0 where not being listed correctly. And I was getting odd 'to-hit roll' read-outs. Like wolf rolls to-hit 8+2 and charname getting the correct modifiers for missle weapons but not mele.

Now that I'm up a few levels, everything seems correct. But I will conceded that I tend to be a muppet about things like this so I just play the game. I've been to embarassed to post a thread asking your excact same question but I'm perfectly willing to stand behind you and listen for an answer. (insert emoticon of your choice)

namelessone

TJ_Hooker said:

Actually you only get +2 to hit with 18/60 strength, but that still doesn't explain why you're only getting 16 THAC0, as you should get an additional +1 to hit from weapon specialization. So yeah, I'm not sure what's going on there.

My character sheet says "Ability bonues: To hit +3" I have no idea if it includes the proficiency bonus or it's just STR.

I am also getting some bonuses when actually fighting people. Man, I wish someone would do a good write-up on how the math actually works in the game.

atcDave

An 18/60 strength is definitely only +2 to hit. Two proficiencies is a further +1 to hit. Character should now have a 17 Thac0 at 1st level.

TJ_Hooker

namelessone said:

TJ_Hooker said:

Actually you only get +2 to hit with 18/60 strength, but that still doesn't explain why you're only getting 16 THAC0, as you should get an additional +1 to hit from weapon specialization. So yeah, I'm not sure what's going on there.

My character sheet says "Ability bonues: To hit +3" I have no idea if it includes the proficiency bonus or it's just STR.

I am also getting some bonuses when actually fighting people. Man, I wish someone would do a good write-up on how the math actually works in the game.

In all likelihood it's just an error in the displayed value, not the actual value the game used in combat. To check, turn on to hit rolls in the feedback options. The roll should look like "[some number from 1 to 20] + [your total to hit bonus] = [number]". If the number for your total to hit bonus is 3, then you're getting the correct bonuses.

Michail

It has been reported that THAC0 is sometimes not displayed correctly. I suggest activating the display "to hit" rolls option and checking if it adds up.

namelessone

I think I figured it out. Strength doesn't reduce THAC0, it provides bonus to hit rolls, diplayed when attacking. I have THAC0 18 for proficiency, and bonus to hit +3 for str and kensai kit bonus.

I noticed that the bonus numbers when attacking depend highly on what enemy you are fighting. I think it also includes the enemy's armor modifiers (some armor is better against some damage types).

TJ_Hooker

namelessone said:

I think I figured it out. Strength doesn't reduce THAC0, it provides bonus to hit rolls, diplayed when attacking. I have THAC0 18 for proficiency, and bonus to hit +3 for str and kensai kit bonus.

I noticed that the bonus numbers when attacking depend highly on what enemy you are fighting. I think it also includes the enemy's armor modifiers (some armor is better against some damage types).

Actually the THAC0 display on the character record screen is supposed to factor in strength bonuses. Increasing your attack roll and decreasing your THAC0 are actually equivalent; they are just 2 different ways of looking at your your overall bonus to hit.