Saving Gorion

IkMarc

This is something I have always wanted to do. The years of feeling powerless and frustrated because of not being able to save the old man and change the story are still haunting me. I have reloaded, changed dialogue, cast spells, scourged the area... nothing helped.

Will it ever happen? Will there be a mod for this? Do you people share my pain???


GORION NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ajwz

Cuv tried to make him win. But the future refused to change:

http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/10570/gorion-wins-well-almost

bigdogchris

If Gorion won, who would be sending assassins after you and who would you have the final battle with?

Nukenin

Imoen, of course. It would all have been part of her plan.

Oh, it's you, Imoen. It's you. Heya.

DJKajuru

If Gorion had survived , Firkraag would have found you and killed you both .

Riolathel

and to think.. it would have only taken a few arrows to that mage and gorion could have owned sarevok.

Damn you dispel magic!

bbear

Couldnt you just Cltr-Y the opposition? Or cast imprisonment on Gorion yourself and rescue him later w/ freedom.

Stargazer5781

Maybe someone will make a Gorion resurrection quest mod and he can join as an npc

Xezmeraude2

TBH. I dont think anyone could make a mod to let gorion win as the game is hardcoded that way and will totally change the whole game completely or simply not work at all. Its like how everyone wanted Sephiroth to join the party. But if he did, who would the antagonist be when no one else seems to fit as an antagonist into clouds protagonist role? It just cant happen. The game has to be based on that aspect.

"BUT" Im sure the modders can make say a seperate game like what the devs did for Black Pits, make an alternative sub game if Gorion won and we can see an alternate play and see what Faerun would be like if Sarevok didnt win. its like that Scarface game to point out, if Tony Montana did know about the assassin who shot him in the back, how would things play out then? Thats the point of the Scarface game. To see what it be like if he lived and you go back for revenge on Sosa. Though cannonly the movie did say he was killed as thats how the movie protrays to everyone to remind you to never stab your allies/friends in the back as they can stab you back!

It would make things see a different approach if Gorion won. Would be nice to see. But far as I am aware, you cant change nor mod things that are strictly hardcoded to a game. Many modders have tried. But when its hardcoded, you simply have to move on. It just cant be tweaked or it could break the engine itself. It would have to be a seperate game altogether which Id be interested in seeing happening. It is a possibility.

Jarleale

Posted this in the wrong topic:

Mod idea: Gorion survives by mazing Sarevok or teleporting away; joins your party together with Khalid and Jaheira and takes you to Baldur's Gate. Then you could investigate the Iron Throne and be on the offensive and face Sarevok in either the Iron Throne building with Reiltar or in the undercity with Daveorn, and maybe some others (Tranzig, Ogre Mage Assassins, army of doppelgangers).

The only problem I see is having a plausible way for the PC to get enough XP to have a balanced party with high lvl Gorion.

Cuv

@Xezmeraude2 Nay, Gorion isn't hardcoded anywhere. But if he survived it would change the whole story. Perhaps I will make a mod where he survives... but Sarevok would have to survive too and run away to do his dirty deeds. So many text strings would have to change to make that believable: Intro chapter, Jaheira/Khalid dlgs, Elminster, etc and anyone else who feels sorry for your loss. Would interesting though.

IkMarc

Cuv said:

@Xezmeraude2 Nay, Gorion isn't hardcoded anywhere. But if he survived it would change the whole story. Perhaps I will make a mod where he survives... but Sarevok would have to survive too and run away to do his dirty deeds. So many text strings would have to change to make that believable: Intro chapter, Jaheira/Khalid dlgs, Elminster, etc and anyone else who feels sorry for your loss. Would interesting though.

Then if you will also make Elminster a joinable NPC I will marry you. No homo

Kirkor

"Saving Private Gorion"

Xezmeraude2

Theres just absolutely no point trying to make a mod that changes the whole game completely. Far too much work and far too much coding and hardcode limitations to work around for the engines sake. It can cause issues and limitations on the game itself.

Because of the hardcoding, you could instead make a mod to ressurect Gorion back, but the cinematic is hardcoded and cant be changed. Thats the point fo hardcoding in game engines. You just cant tamper with that part or it can cause major issues on the game itself. Its meant to be performed that way and the devs lock that part out.

There is nothing wrong with making a mod to bring him back from the dead, its a nice idea and for Ikmac making Elminster join sounds interesting too. Im sure many agree would choose to bring him back, but there are just some things within a game that no matter hwo smart and technical a modder is, even the devs have said, You just cant alter the hardcode for the engines sake. It can cause crazy things to happen even with patches and addons from other modders!"

You are basically asking everyone to waste their time and to change all their mods to just be able to work with this which they put too much time into making them work with other peoples mods and its an neverending battle with them all. Look at BWP, Too many mods conflict with each other and you can only put so many mods into the game before issues clash.

This should just be a personal mod for you and you alone. I wouldnt personally mess with the game that much to change the game completely because lets use FF7 for example, Everyone wanted Aerith(Japan) Aeris(USA) to live. But they decided it was better she dies off to fit the story more to stop Black Materia from destroying the world and for her death would activate White Materia and the Lifestream to stop it. Even the gameshark code of hers to bring her back had issues and complications with her being in parts of the game she wasnt supposed to be in. Its basically like that happening. It just isnt exactly a good idea to mess completely with a developers work like that. Same went with the Sephiroth in your party code.

Personally, this is a mod I see for someones own tweaking or making a mod that isnt reflecting the cinematics which I guarantee are hardcoded. I am in no obligation to stop anyone from a ressurecting mod. But changing the cinematic i believe just cant happen. Im not saying its impossible, but hardcodes are not codes to be messed with. Just like forcing to update your driver can cause computer breaking and unnatural issues to the computer and crash it if not done right. This is too much of a mod and im sure the modders of many other mods already have enough of a time getting mods to work with BWS and cant afford another massive game changing mod again.

No offense to yas. But this is just not something we should be experiencing. I suggest making it a aftermath mod. Somewhere down the road you find someone willing to bring him back. The battle is hardcoded for Gorion to lose no matter what!

IkMarc

Well the existing text strings and references to his death would actually be an opportunity to make it kind of a spoof, where Gorion is making statements like "hey, what are you talking about? I'm not dead!" "I'm not dead, I'm right here!" "what is wrong with you people?" "Am I invisible or something?!".

For Elminsters part, in encounters with the ingame Elminster, you could have him refer to himself as "the REAL Elminster", call the other Elminster a phony douchebag and try to pick arguments with him.