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CWheezy's Black Pits review and discussion! (Spoilers)

CWheezyCWheezy Member Posts: 9
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Hello, I am some guy named CWheezy, and here are my correct opinions on the black pits!

The Good:
-Making a min maxed party can be pretty fun, if time consuming. 1 Int half orc warriors everywhere? Yes please!

-The voice acting is great!

-The secondary parties you meet are pretty awesome, I enjoyed their banter quite a bit. A lot of the characters feel pretty cool, and how they shift as you get closer to killing the drow holding you hostage is nice.

-Instant free rests is great to get your party in the correct adventuring shape, that was a good feature.

The Bad:
-The black pits pretends it has a gold limit for you to spend, but you can replay old combats an infinite amount of times for basically unlimited gold and xp, so that is a weird design choice

-The npcs don't "Remember" that you already talked to them, so sometimes to buy things you have to skip through some things.

-I was hoping for some type of escape, or a jailbreak, or something like that. Instead the drow breaks down and you kill him even though that is basically a lose/lose situation for him (He loses his most popular gladiator or he dies and loses everything). The arena battles are nice little puzzles to complete, but I was hoping for more than just rest and kaboom.

-Immunities to the +1 weapons generally bones some characters, like my shapeshifter druid. It kinda sucks my werewolf gets to be a flat caster for the last 7 fights or something like that

The Troll:
-Selling quivers of unlimited +1 arrows and bullets when all the enemies after the shops upgrade to the new quivers are immune to +1 and lower. Woo hoo, unlimited totally useless actions for my archer!

Comments

  • AllbrotherAllbrother Member Posts: 262
    CWheezy said:


    -The voice acting is great!

    WTH are you talking about? The VA's disastrous!
  • TsyrithTsyrith Member Posts: 180
    Trolls aren't immune to +1 or less weapons, what are you talking about? And there's more than one, so it's "The Trolls". God. L2format.

    /trollface.jpg

    But otherwise, I don't think I caught that gold-limit hint, but maybe it was implied by being surrounded by NINE DIFFERENT VENDORS each with VARYING AND SOMETIMES INCOMPREHENSIBLY PRICED ITEMS that the money you earned from battle was part of the game and not just a method to get you to talk at people to further a veil of a plot all the while gearing you for tactically rich battle.

    Also yes, the shapeshifter kit is boned in general, haven't even considered using them until they get some tender loving.

    And one thing you might not have picked up on. That Improved Cloak of Protection +2? That's a ToB level item. Improved haste, improved invisibility 1/day, also capable of being worn with other items of protection or enchantment levels on armor. Utterly overpowered. I love it. It's mine. You can't have it. No, really.
  • LugeLuge Member Posts: 90
    edited December 2012
    Silchas said:

    CWheezy said:


    -The voice acting is great!

    WTH are you talking about? The VA's disastrous!
    I think you have to suspend disbelief a bit for the Black Pits. I think that the voice acting is excellent, but inappropriate. Drow don't talk like that.

    L.

  • IchigoRXCIchigoRXC Member Posts: 1,001
    I loved running my avengers themed party through it. I also had very little problem with weapon immunities. Get moar spell casters :P
  • LamorackLamorack Member Posts: 24
    I would have liked the ending to be a little stronger -- maybe just a video clip. I loved the sub-plots around the vendors, but it would have been nice if my actions with them could have had a bit more meaning -- at the very least, they should have remembered what I said to them! It would have been cool to have had some impact from the conversations as well though, like a discount from one vendor. I'm not sure if repeating old battles was a good design choice or not. In one sense it was fun and expanded the gameplay length, but I did end up fighting the same battle repeatedly because I knew it was easy, just for the money. It got a bit tiresome and felt a little bit like taking advantage of the game.
  • GruloGrulo Member Posts: 109
    I hated one thing about TBP: Vendors didnt sell magical clubs. Totally screwed the Beast Master i created.
  • CWheezyCWheezy Member Posts: 9
    IchigoRXC said:

    I loved running my avengers themed party through it. I also had very little problem with weapon immunities. Get moar spell casters :P

    I had plenty of spellcasters, because they are stupidly overpowered in dnd and that hasn't changed for like 25 years or whatever.

    I just thought it was a funny joke played by the devs where they give you this awesome item but it is actually totally useless and a waste of gold

  • CorianderCoriander Member Posts: 1,667
    CWheezy said:


    -The black pits pretends it has a gold limit for you to spend, but you can replay old combats an infinite amount of times for basically unlimited gold and xp, so that is a weird design choice

    Well there's an xp limit, but no gold limit. I don't think there's a gold limit even mentioned. If you want to grind to kit your party out or have a bigger advantage in the next fight, you can. You get less than the initial reward. Not sure what's weird about that.

  • CWheezyCWheezy Member Posts: 9
    Well, they give you a limited amount to spend at the start, and then there is talk of bonuses and extra gold for doing well. The dialogue and the setting to me make it appear that you have limited gold, so you have to budget to escape the pits, but the gameplay is basically yo have unlimited gold so buy all the crap you want
  • AlsnAlsn Member Posts: 97
    CWheezy said:

    Well, they give you a limited amount to spend at the start, and then there is talk of bonuses and extra gold for doing well. The dialogue and the setting to me make it appear that you have limited gold, so you have to budget to escape the pits, but the gameplay is basically yo have unlimited gold so buy all the crap you want

    What's making you repeat battles? I made it through just fine without a single repeat. In fact, the prospect of repeating a battle with the very same party in the very same playthrough just seemed weird to me. Why would I want to do it? To quote Imoen: "Boooooring!". ;)
  • nptitimnptitim Member Posts: 111
    I agree, repeating fights that you already won is essentially cheating but necessary if you can't move on. If you don't do that the gold is quite limited and you have to decide what to buy, I thought wands in the beginning stages were the best deals.
  • AlsnAlsn Member Posts: 97
    edited December 2012
    nptitim said:

    I agree, repeating fights that you already won is essentially cheating but necessary if you can't move on. If you don't do that the gold is quite limited and you have to decide what to buy, I thought wands in the beginning stages were the best deals.

    Ah, I didn't think about the possibility of getting "stuck".

    I guess I was a bit lucky in that I was able to just barely use my spells to take care of the first challenge when stuff started being immune to normal weapons(can't remember what type of enemy it was). It never occurred to me that one might be out of cash at such a point(and thus be unable to buy any +1 weapons).
  • IgnatiusIgnatius Member Posts: 624
    I only went through the Pits once and did not realize you could actually face the same battle twice... how do you do that?
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