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NPC joined with higher level inconsistencies

ankhegankheg Member Posts: 546
I found this little chart about NPCs "automatic progression". I wonder if they are fixed. Anyone?

http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/dl.php?s=BG&f=BG/NPC_Proficiencies.zip
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  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    I don't think you gave the right link.

    Regardless I believe I understand your question, and the answer is: no.
  • ankhegankheg Member Posts: 546
    edited December 2012
    Quartz said:

    I don't think you gave the right link.

    Regardless I believe I understand your question, and the answer is: no.

    I don't know the link works just fine for me. :S Anyway we should test it, I hate such errors.
  • ankhegankheg Member Posts: 546
    Here is a copy, it wasn't made by me:

    NPC Proficiencies Guide v2.2 by Felinoid


    Contents:
    1. Intro & Disclaimer
    2. Weapon Proficiencies (in alphabetical order)
    3. Thieving Skills (for thief variants only)
    4. Remix Proficiencies & Skills (TM)
    5. Version History
    6. Last Words

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    1. Intro & Disclaimer

    First my little disclaimer: I know there are some things in here that don't
    make sense (e.g. Quayle's level [2/2 w/ only 2000XP each?] and large sword
    proficiency, Coran's levels and bow mastery, & Safana's spear proficiency), and some
    discontinuity or missing proficiencies (Alora, Branwen, Eldoth, & Minsc), but I'm
    simply quoting from the game.

    NOTE: Fixes for Alora, Branwen, Quayle, and Safana can be found in my
    NPC Remix Pack (also on SP).

    Now that that's over with, I'd like to welcome you to the first FAQ that
    I've ever written for anyone other than myself. (The rest are all in my personal
    shorthand.) So if you have any questions or comments, or even find any mistakes,
    please feel free to PM me at SP. If you aren't registered at SP, why the hell not?
    Or, if you don't even know what I meant by 'PM me at SP', you should register at
    Sorcerer's Place (http://www.sorcerers.net) and PM me about who sold off this FAQ as
    their own.
    /\
    Sorry about the ranting||, but it took me many long hours to make this FAQ,
    and the idea of somebody else profiting from my hard work makes me angry. And you
    wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    2. NPC Proficiencies

    Ajantis:
    Lv2 Large Sword++ Bow+ Blunt Weapons+
    Lv4 Large Sword++ Small Sword+ Bow+ Blunt Weapons+
    Lv6 Large Sword++ Small Sword++ Bow+ Blunt Weapons+

    Alora:
    Lv4 Small Sword+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv6 Bow+ Missile Weapons+

    Branwen:
    Lv2 & 5 Blunt Weapons+ Missile Weapons+

    Coran:
    Lv3/3 & 5/5 Large Sword++ Bow+++

    Dynaheir:
    Lv1, 2, & 4 Missile Weapons+
    Lv6 Blunt Weapons+ Missile Weapons+

    Edwin:
    Lv1, 2, & 4 Blunt Weapons+
    Lv6 Blunt Weapons+ Missile Weapons+

    Eldoth:
    Lv3 Small Sword+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv5 Small Sword+ Bow+ Spear+

    Faldorn:
    Lv3 Blunt Weapons+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv5 Spear+ Blunt Weapons+ Missile Weapons+

    Garrick:
    Lv1 & 2 Small Sword+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv4 & 6 Small Sword+ Bow+ Missile Weapons+

    Imoen:
    Lv1 & 2 Small Sword+ Bow+
    Lv4 & 6 Small Sword+ Bow+ Blunt Weapons+

    Jaheira:
    Lv1/1 Blunt Weapons++ Missile Weapons++
    Lv4/4 & 5/6 Small Sword+ Blunt Weapons++ Missile Weapons++

    Kagain:
    Lv1 & 2 Blunt Weapons+ Axe++ Missile Weapons+
    Lv4 Blunt Weapons+ Axe+++ Missile Weapons+
    Lv6 Blunt Weapons+ Axe++++ Missile Weapons+

    Khalid:
    Lv1 & 2 Large Sword++ Bow+ Axe+
    Lv4 Large Sword+++ Bow+ Axe+
    Lv6 Large Sword+++ Bow++ Axe+

    Kivan:
    Lv2 Bow++ Spear++
    Lv4 Large Sword+ Bow++ Spear++
    Lv6 Large Sword++ Bow++ Spear++

    Minsc:
    Lv1 & 2 Large Sword++ Spiked Weapons+ Axe+
    Lv4 Large Sword++ Small Sword+ Bow++
    Lv6 Large Sword++ Small Sword++ Bow++

    Montaron:
    Lv1/1 & 1/2 Small Sword++ Missile Weapons++
    Lv3/4 Small Sword++ Missile Weapons++ Axe+
    Lv5/6 Small Sword++ Missile Weapons++ Axe++

    Quayle:
    Lv2/2 Spiked Weapons+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv4/3 Large Sword+ Spiked Weapons+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv6/5 Blunt Weapons+ Spiked Weapons+ Missile Weapons+

    Safana:
    Lv2 Small Sword+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv4 & 6 Small Sword+ Spear+ Missile Weapons+

    Shar-Teel:
    Lv2 Large Sword++ Small Sword++
    Lv4 Large Sword++ Small Sword++ Missile Weapons+
    Lv6 Large Sword++ Small Sword++ Missile Weapons++

    Skie:
    Lv4 & 6 Small Sword+ Bow+ Missile Weapons+

    Tiax:
    Lv2/2 Blunt Weapons+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv4/4 & 5/6 Blunt Weapons+ Spiked Weapons+ Missile Weapons+

    Viconia:
    Lv2 Blunt Weapons+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv4 & 6 Blunt Weapons+ Spiked Weapons+ Missile Weapons+

    Xan:
    Lv2 & 4 Small Sword+
    Lv6 Small Sword+ Missile Weapons+

    Xzar:
    Lv1, 2, & 4 Small Sword+
    Lv6 Small Sword+ Missile Weapons+

    Yeslick:
    Lv2/3 Blunt Weapons++ Missile Weapons++
    Lv4/5 Blunt Weapons++ Spiked Weapons+ Missile Weapons++

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    3. Thieving Skills

    Alora:
    Lv4 PP 80% OL 80% DT 20% MS 40%
    Lv6 PP 100% OL 100% DT 20% MS 40%

    Coran:
    Lv3/3 PP 40% OL 60% DT 20% MS 78%
    Lv5/5 PP 40% OL 80% DT 20% MS 98%

    Imoen:
    Lv1 PP 25% OL 25% DT 30% MS 30%
    Lv2 PP 25% OL 25% DT 40% MS 40%
    Lv4 PP 25% OL 25% DT 60% MS 60%
    Lv6 PP 25% OL 25% DT 80% MS 80%

    Montaron:
    Lv1/1 PP 35% OL 25% DT 10% MS 50%
    Lv1/2 PP 45% OL 25% DT 10% MS 60%
    Lv3/4 PP 65% OL 25% DT 10% MS 80%
    Lv5/6 PP 85% OL 25% DT 10% MS 100%

    Safana:
    Lv2 PP 20% OL 50% DT 25% MS 15%
    LV4 PP 20% OL 70% DT 45% MS 15%
    Lv6 PP 20% OL 90% DT 65% MS 15%

    Skie:
    Lv4 PP 50% OL 45% DT 30% MS 45%
    Lv6 PP 60% OL 55% DT 40% MS 55%

    Tiax:
    Lv2/2 PP 25% OL 35% DT 30% MS 25%
    Lv4/4 PP 35% OL 45% DT 40% MS 35%
    Lv5/6 PP 45% OL 55% DT 50% MS 45%

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    4. Remix Proficiencies & Skills

    Alora:
    Lv4 & 6 Small Sword+ Bow+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv4 PP 60% OL 60% DT 50% MS 50%
    Lv6 PP 70% OL 70% DT 60% MS 60%

    Branwen:
    Lv2 Blunt Weapons+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv5 Blunt Weapons+ Spiked weapons+ Missile Weapons+

    Coran:
    Lv3/3 PP 40% OL 55% DT 50% MS 48%
    Lv5/5 PP 40% OL 75% DT 70% MS 48%

    Imoen:
    Lv1 PP 25% OL 25% DT 10% MS 50%
    Lv2 PP 35% OL 35% DT 10% MS 50%
    Lv4 PP 55% OL 55% DT 10% MS 50%
    Lv6 PP 75% OL 75% DT 10% MS 50%

    Quayle:
    Lv2/2 Spiked Weapons+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv4/3 & 6/5 Blunt Weapons+ Spiked Weapons+ Missile Weapons+

    Safana:
    Lv2 Small Sword+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv4 & 6 Small Sword+ Large Sword/Blunt Weapons/Bow+ Missile Weapons+
    Lv2 PP 20% OL 30% DT 30% MS 30%
    LV4 PP 20% OL 45% DT 45% MS 40%
    Lv6 PP 20% OL 60% DT 60% MS 50%

    Skie:
    Lv4 PP 25% OL 75% DT 10% MS 60%
    Lv6 PP 25% OL 95% DT 10% MS 80%

    Tiax:
    Lv2/2 PP 15% OL 40% DT 40% MS 20%
    Lv4/4 PP 15% OL 60% DT 60% MS 20%
    Lv5/6 PP 15% OL 80% DT 80% MS 20%

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    5. Version History

    v1.0-06/14/05 The birth of a FAQ

    v1.01-06/15/05 Fixed the margins

    v1.1-07/31/05 Was unable to reproduce Coran's 5/6 level, so I took it out.
    (He had the same proficiencies anyway.)

    v2.0-10/16/05 Added thieving proficiencies and Montaron's 1/2 level.

    v2.1-11/01/05 Added Quayle's 6/5 level and some shameless promotion of my Remix.

    v2.2-05/05/06 What's promotion without info? Added section on the Remix
    proficiencies and skills.

    ____________________________________________________________________________________

    6. Last Words

    Wait, you're still reading? Well, I didn't have anything prepared, but here
    it goes...

    I'd like to thank everyone who managed to read the whole way through my
    amateur FAQ, not to mention SP for agreeing to distribute it. If you really liked
    it, and want to post it on your site, contact me via the method mentioned in the
    intro (PM me at SP). If you have any comments, questions, or errors that you found,
    I would also appreciate it if you let me know. Any error fixes or missing info I will
    give you full credit for when I update this FAQ.

    Thank you again from your friendly, neighborhood humanoid-cat,
    Felinoid.

    (C) 2005 Felinoid
  • ankhegankheg Member Posts: 546
    And what about saving throws?
  • rdarkenrdarken Member Posts: 660
    Is the problem with how they level up or that they level up? If the latter, that is working as intended. You wouldn't take any NPCs if they all started at level 1, even if your party was level 7 when you met them.

    If the former, that chart is outdated for sure. I don't know the new breakouts, but, if nothing else, the game was converted to the BG 2 engine, which means stuff like Large Sword and Small Sword don't even exist anymore.
  • ankhegankheg Member Posts: 546
    edited December 2012
    The problem is within the first section. Yes there is a different proficiency system, but what about the numbers? Where they checked? And what about things like Quayle's xp anyway... read that part again.
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  • ankhegankheg Member Posts: 546
    http://www.sorcerers.net/Games/BG2/profs.php BG2 list, I think Imoen should have 5 proficiencies instead of 4, didn't checked the others though.
  • CamDawgCamDawg Member, Developer Posts: 3,439
    I spent several hours running the joinable NPCs through regression tests in the beta, same as I did for BG2 for BG2 Fixpack.
  • ankhegankheg Member Posts: 546
    edited December 2012
    CamDawg said:

    I spent several hours running the joinable NPCs through regression tests in the beta, same as I did for BG2 for BG2 Fixpack.

    Then you are a true hero. :)
    Thanks.
  • CamDawgCamDawg Member, Developer Posts: 3,439
    Not saying there aren't bugs or you shouldn't check, just that a lot of stuff got fixed already.
  • ankhegankheg Member Posts: 546
    CamDawg said:

    Not saying there aren't bugs or you shouldn't check, just that a lot of stuff got fixed already.

    Constant vigilance. The bug section is already full with my reports.
  • EnterHaerDalisEnterHaerDalis Member Posts: 813
    NPC proficiency's are mangled in BG:EE/BGTutu

    Shadowkeeper is a must...I mean for god sake Minsc comes with ++ Two Handed Sword and ++ Two Weapon Style

    Shar teel is a mess. The list is endless
  • PantalionPantalion Member Posts: 2,137

    NPC proficiency's are mangled in BG:EE/BGTutu

    Shadowkeeper is a must...I mean for god sake Minsc comes with ++ Two Handed Sword and ++ Two Weapon Style

    Shar teel is a mess. The list is endless

    Minsc: Rangers get two pips in TWS, and Minsc uses Two Handed Swords, hence he does not use those free pips. The fact he does not use them does not alter the fact that he receives them.
    Shar-Teel: Ranged attacks with Crossbow, TWFs with a Longsword and a Dagger? Entirely thematically appropriate and a valid weapon choice.
  • ankhegankheg Member Posts: 546
    edited December 2012

    NPC proficiency's are mangled in BG:EE/BGTutu

    Shadowkeeper is a must...I mean for god sake Minsc comes with ++ Two Handed Sword and ++ Two Weapon Style

    Shar teel is a mess. The list is endless

    What is the problem with Minsc? I don't get it. Just tested it: ++Two Weapon Style (which is default for a Ranger) ++ Two Handed Sword, +Mace , +Longbow. It seems ok to me.
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