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Brown Bear + Black Bear Shapeshift

kingthrallkingthrall Member Posts: 76
in New Players (NO SPOILERS!)
Someone explain the difference to me please other than the colour. I am kind of stumped if there is/isnt a difference it should be explained or a different creature option such as a wyvern or ankheg would be nice.

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  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    edited January 2013
    IIRC the Brown Bear is stronger, he should have more HP and better AC and THAC0.

    Edit: I checked using the Druid ability (not sure if the mage spell works in the same way) and only difference was a better AC for the Brown Bear vs. the Black Bear (only one point difference though). HP and THAC0 were the same.

    Edit2: the Brown Bear has also a slightly larger damage range (7-12 vs. 7-10) .
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  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    Warning. Stupid joke following:

    If you want to join the bear walking formation (mentioned here http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/14745/monsters-random-x2-and-x3-quantity-spawn) it will look a lot better if you are in fact the same color with the other bears.
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    Wyverns or ankhegs would be a bit overpowered. Avengers can use Baby Wyvern shape, but it would take away a perk of that kit if every other druid could do that, too. A polar bear would be an option, different color and cold resistance?
  • CorvinoCorvino Member Posts: 2,269
    Generally the shapeshifting options for non-Avengers/Shapeshifters aren't worth it. The AC & THAC0 you get are often worse than with the druid you start off with.

    I was quite excited many years ago when I realised Jaheira could shapeshift, only for her to have a worse AC & THAC0 as a bear...
  • kingthrallkingthrall Member Posts: 76
    Try using a hasted black bear, they work considerably well. Although I do agree shape-shifting needs an update with more variety in animals.
  • KampriKampri Member Posts: 42
    KidCarnival said:

    Wyverns or ankhegs would be a bit overpowered. Avengers can use Baby Wyvern shape, but it would take away a perk of that kit if every other druid could do that, too. A polar bear would be an option, different color and cold resistance?

    Druids can only shape shift into natural forms.

  • moopymoopy Member Posts: 938
    They should shape shift into WEREBEARS!
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    moopy said:

    They should shape shift into WEREBEARS!

    Yeah watch out Drizzt.

  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    Kampri said:

    KidCarnival said:

    Wyverns or ankhegs would be a bit overpowered. Avengers can use Baby Wyvern shape, but it would take away a perk of that kit if every other druid could do that, too. A polar bear would be an option, different color and cold resistance?

    Druids can only shape shift into natural forms.

    Which of that would not be natural? Avengers already have Baby Wyvern (and more extra shapes). A polar bear is natural too.

  • KampriKampri Member Posts: 42
    KidCarnival said:

    Kampri said:

    KidCarnival said:

    Wyverns or ankhegs would be a bit overpowered. Avengers can use Baby Wyvern shape, but it would take away a perk of that kit if every other druid could do that, too. A polar bear would be an option, different color and cold resistance?

    Druids can only shape shift into natural forms.

    Which of that would not be natural? Avengers already have Baby Wyvern (and more extra shapes). A polar bear is natural too.

    Both Wyverns and ankhegs are not natural. Natural as in, you walk outside in the real world and might see...
    I'm going off of 1st & 2nd edition D&D rules.
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    Not natural in our world. In universe, both are animals. I understand "natural" in BG as "not magically created". A golem would be silly for a shapeshifter, but animals native to the surroundings aren't unnatural.
  • KampriKampri Member Posts: 42
    KidCarnival said:

    Not natural in our world. In universe, both are animals. I understand "natural" in BG as "not magically created". A golem would be silly for a shapeshifter, but animals native to the surroundings aren't unnatural.

    Wyverns and ankhegs are monsters, not animals. That's the case per PnP AD&D 1st & 2nd ed. rules. Maybe BG plays it differently. If that's the case, weak sauce. :/
  • TJ_HookerTJ_Hooker Member Posts: 2,438
    edited February 2013
    Kampri said:

    KidCarnival said:

    Not natural in our world. In universe, both are animals. I understand "natural" in BG as "not magically created". A golem would be silly for a shapeshifter, but animals native to the surroundings aren't unnatural.

    Wyverns and ankhegs are monsters, not animals. That's the case per PnP AD&D 1st & 2nd ed. rules. Maybe BG plays it differently. If that's the case, weak sauce. :/
    In BG, the Avenger druid kit gets baby wyvern, sword spider, and gnoll(?), and the Shapeshifter kit gets werewolf. Otherwise the Druid shapeshifts are all natural (black bear, brown bear, wolf).

    Edit: the 3rd avenger shape is fire salamander, as pointed out below.
    Post edited by TJ_Hooker on
  • KampriKampri Member Posts: 42
    The Avenger Druid sounds like a bastardization of druids. Thanks for the clarification TJ.
  • ScooterScooter Member Posts: 182
    edited February 2013

    @TJ_Hooker Fire salamander I think, not gnoll.
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    Yeah, fire salamander is the third Avenger shape.
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