Theif dual to fighter question

King_Nothing

Just a single question, can a theif dualled to a fighter use 2 handed weapons like 2 handed swords and helbards?

Pantalion

Yes.

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Wowo

No backstabbing though. Put some pips into quarterstaff for some massive 2 handed backstabbing (staff of ram iirc?).

Madhax

To expand on what @Wowo said, the character would only be able to backstab with a weapon that a single-class thief could use. So, while they can use a 2-handed sword or halberd, they can't backstab with one. You are likely better off using the fighter levels to master something like longswords, then get amazing backstabs with your newfound fighter attacking power.

Wilbur

And to be more specific about backstabbing: fighter/thief can backstab with melee weapons that a pure thief can use which are Club, Dagger, Long Sword, Short Sword and Staff.

Ignatius

The ultimate backstabber being the Cleric/Thief who is restricted to club and staff for backstab.

King_Nothing

thanks for the answer. I really find these weapon rules hard to get. Fx a Cleric duealled to fighter can't use swords etc. But a theif dualled to fighter can use any weapon. Kinda stange

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Yeah, the game does a weird job of distinguishing between "lack of training" and "restricted by creed/ability" sometimes. Take the Fighter/Druid, who suddenly has no qualms with wearing metal armor, but still feels odd about picking up a mace.

atcDave

King_Nothing said:

thanks for the answer. I really find these weapon rules hard to get. Fx a Cleric duealled to fighter can't use swords etc. But a theif dualled to fighter can use any weapon. Kinda stange

Just remember clerics are restriction for faith/religious reasons, it has nothing to do with ability or training. So cleric restrictions will always over-ride others.

UnknownQuantity

I think the weapon use is tied to religion in some way. The armor on the other hand is not. For instance a fighter/mage can wear plate mail, but can't cast spells in it. Divine spells can be cast in armor though so Druids don't have a problem casting spells in it. It's just like the Kensei not being able to wear armor because of their beliefs. Once the Kensei is dueled to another class they still can't use armor unless they have UAI.

UnknownQuantity

http://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/15358/why-cant-clerics-use-sharp-weapons

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True, but as far as Druids go, I was under the impression that their prohibition from wearing metal armor was also tied to their religion/beliefs.

UnknownQuantity

You may be correct in that, but it also may just be something Druids wear. I'm sure someone who plays PnP a lot knows the answer to that. Maybe they will chime in and tell us.

moopy

I thought if druids wore metal armor they couldn't cast Druid spells for 24 hours.

So a F/D shouldn't be able to wear metal armor and cast spells.

UnknownQuantity

"Most druids wear natural armor (leather) and use wooden shields. Other armors, especially metallic kinds, are forbidden to all druids."

I guess you are correct. Maybe they implemented it wrong.

Quartz

Yup Fighter/Druid cheats. Cool stuff.

ReadingRambo

Druid restriction to hide and leather seems strange. They can only the armor that involves killing an animal??? Wtf??? I guess maybe the animal died of natural causes or something. And metal armor entails encroaching its industry in a natural envoirnment... Or something hehe

It also annoyed me to no end that Druids can't use bows. U don't get more primitive than a bow and arrow.

I'm glad 3rd edition did away with a lot of the sillier restrictions

Debaser

@King_Nothing

Honestly fighter or a good Fighter Kit dualed to thief is always way stronger..

You get more HP, and then over time more thief skills to distribute. And in SoA you get Thief high level abilities which are far greater than fighter HLA's.

Dualing at level 13 in SoA gives you the most options from both classes.

Otherwise a Dwarf Fighter Thief with ++ in Staves and ++ in two-handed weapons is better yet again than a thief dualed to fighter. He'll have way better saving throws and Constitution than a human and better thief skill progression. As well as access to both HLA's of each class.

Just my two cents.

A half orc is decent too in that regard, but the saving throw bonus of a Dwarf usually outweigh brute strength.

moopy

@Debaser

24 Kensai / 28 Thief?!

UnknownQuantity

ReadingRambo said:

Druid restriction to hide and leather seems strange. They can only the armor that involves killing an animal??? Wtf??? I guess maybe the animal died of natural causes or something. And metal armor entails encroaching its industry in a natural envoirnment... Or something hehe

It also annoyed me to no end that Druids can't use bows. U don't get more primitive than a bow and arrow.

I'm glad 3rd edition did away with a lot of the sillier restrictions

I don't really agree with this. For instance american indian's respected animals greatly, but they killed, ate, and wore their skins. Druids protect animals, but in nature there is usually balance. It is ok to kill and use an animals for food/clothing. It's not ok to slaughter all the animals you want for fun or money. I think this is the way Druids were represented and it does make sense to me. Druids also don't like cities and people since they throw nature out of balance. This is why they don't wear metal armor I believe. It is a product of cities and industry.

the_spyder

One question back. What is a Theif?

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the_spyder said:

One question back. What is a Theif?

They're the ones using up all the Rouge.

the_spyder

LOL.... Not that I should be doing that. My spelling can sometimes be atrocious.

All in good fun everyone.

ReadingRambo

UnknownQuantity said:

ReadingRambo said:

Druid restriction to hide and leather seems strange. They can only the armor that involves killing an animal??? Wtf??? I guess maybe the animal died of natural causes or something. And metal armor entails encroaching its industry in a natural envoirnment... Or something hehe

It also annoyed me to no end that Druids can't use bows. U don't get more primitive than a bow and arrow.

I'm glad 3rd edition did away with a lot of the sillier restrictions

I don't really agree with this. For instance american indian's respected animals greatly, but they killed, ate, and wore their skins. Druids protect animals, but in nature there is usually balance. It is ok to kill and use an animals for food/clothing. It's not ok to slaughter all the animals you want for fun or money. I think this is the way Druids were represented and it does make sense to me. Druids also don't like cities and people since they throw nature out of balance. This is why they don't wear metal armor I believe. It is a product of cities and industry.

Very good points, my comments about their armor choices were not well thought out. However it's still annoying they can't use bows. Most single class Druids are much better and more survivable from ranged. And bows are great for hiding in trees and shooting trespassers and hunters that threaten woodland areas. Balance isn't served by being dead because a Druid brought a knife (sling) to a gunfight (hunter bow). I liked in NWN 2 that Elanee could use bows from her elven martial proficiency.

And that brings up another one. Druids can't be elven. I get that Druidic philosophy is different from elven culture, but I would imagine there might be some elves that would follow Druidic teaching, particularly displaced and orphaned elves.

UnknownQuantity

ReadingRambo said:

UnknownQuantity said:

ReadingRambo said:

Druid restriction to hide and leather seems strange. They can only the armor that involves killing an animal??? Wtf??? I guess maybe the animal died of natural causes or something. And metal armor entails encroaching its industry in a natural envoirnment... Or something hehe

It also annoyed me to no end that Druids can't use bows. U don't get more primitive than a bow and arrow.

I'm glad 3rd edition did away with a lot of the sillier restrictions

I don't really agree with this. For instance american indian's respected animals greatly, but they killed, ate, and wore their skins. Druids protect animals, but in nature there is usually balance. It is ok to kill and use an animals for food/clothing. It's not ok to slaughter all the animals you want for fun or money. I think this is the way Druids were represented and it does make sense to me. Druids also don't like cities and people since they throw nature out of balance. This is why they don't wear metal armor I believe. It is a product of cities and industry.

Very good points, my comments about their armor choices were not well thought out. However it's still annoying they can't use bows. Most single class Druids are much better and more survivable from ranged. And bows are great for hiding in trees and shooting trespassers and hunters that threaten woodland areas. Balance isn't served by being dead because a Druid brought a knife (sling) to a gunfight (hunter bow). I liked in NWN 2 that Elanee could use bows from her elven martial proficiency.

And that brings up another one. Druids can't be elven. I get that Druidic philosophy is different from elven culture, but I would imagine there might be some elves that would follow Druidic teaching, particularly displaced and orphaned elves.

I agree with you there. I read a little of the Druids handbook though and I saw one kit that allowed Druids to use a bow. I'm not certain why the standard Druid can't use a bow.