I don't know, Dex is pretty good stat. It makes me run for cover quicker when getting shot at. It also, helps me react to dangerous situations in good time. Dex in real life is awesome, react and counter to save yourself or squad members. (or what ever the case may be.)
Dex is prob best survival trait. Once you survive long enough through such experiences, it gives you a certain kind of wisdom. (ie. Don't sign up for the military.)
I would want to boost charisma. Communication, socialising and appearance is very important in society. The thing about intelligence is you can get smarter through education and some amount of wisdom comes from time and many other manners of reflecting and learning. There is no need for 25 strength of dexterity, though it would be cool you can also improves these with consistent training. Charisma though is much harder to gain, it takes many failures and putting yourself in situations outside your comfort zones all the time to develop communication skills.
Having the charisma allows you to communicate effectively and with 25 stat you will become a living "Tony Stark" it would be easy to earn money with high charisma and much like the game Baldurs Gate, life always becomes much easier when you gain friends and clients who have valuable skills, you don't really ever solo life, you would not be the person you are today without other people with 25 charisma you could change the entire tide of your life through speaking.
I'm lucky to say that I was dealt some pretty good numbers in most of the abilities, except Wisdom. Life would have been much easier if I had had some more of it. But now Constitution is becoming important. I don't need a 25, I'd settle for an 18. Now if I could add the other 7 points to Wisdom....?
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” - Bertrand Russell
Wisdom, as it would (1) allow me to apply my other scores to their fullest potential, and (2) would give me the insight, awareness, judgment, and willpower of the most powerful of gods. I can only imagine what life and the cosmos must look like to a being with a 25 WIS. One would have a level of understanding and enlightenment that would transcend all previous philosophical and religious systems created by humankind.
I think I remember seeing a couple of responses by people who said that someone with a 25 Wisdom would likely be assassinated by fanatics for their "heretical" and radical ideas. While I agree that there would be many people unhappy with this new "false messiah" or "iconoclast," I think that a person with 25 Wisdom would already have anticipated that possibility and taken measures to circumvent such an outcome (such as not being high-profile in the public sphere).
Also, I don't think Wisdom indicates any particular position on the alignment axis. "Goodness" is often equated with Wisdom by "good" people because, in order to bring about the stability or dominance of "good" in the world, it requires that they conduct themselves with a considerable degree of judgment, insight, willpower, etc., in achieving that goal. The same could be said for preserving "balance" or advancing the causes of "evil."
@Cheesebelly wouldn't need to ask for Charisma, he already has it. But concerning Intelligence, speaking as one who perhaps as too much of it (enough to have been a Mensa member, though I didn't like the whining attitude there 'no-one understands me as I'm so smart'), intelligence is overrated. For me, it just makes me more aware abouth what's wrong with the world and more aware about the things we don't know, what the world is ultimately like, and it makes my head ache. I definitely would opt for Wisdom instead of this mind-hurting intelligence.
From someone who *does* 1st edition, 25 was not the maximum Comeliness. It ran from -30 to 40. Learn to 1e, n00b! (Just joking, but I just thought I'd put that out there.
And it takes someone chronically ill to want a higher constitution. Trust me on this. I'd love to regenerate my nerves.
All the rest can be forfeit in return for god-like charisma.
So you can dodge bullets eh? Take a steam roller to the face and live? Invent 'Warp' speed on star ships?
Well I have an army.
Thanks to my wisdom, I can already see how that ends up. I laugh as I retreat to my comfortable mountain cave, and refuse to give you any insight about it.
All the rest can be forfeit in return for god-like charisma.
So you can dodge bullets eh? Take a steam roller to the face and live? Invent 'Warp' speed on star ships?
Well I have an army.
Thanks to my wisdom, I can already see how that ends up. I laugh as I retreat to my comfortable mountain cave, and refuse to give you any insight about it.
If I was wiser, I would know how to deal psychologically with the knowledge of there being so much war in the world.
@Son_of_Imoen said "If I was wiser, I would know how to deal psychologically with the knowledge of there being so much war in the world."
That's a tough one. Here's some advice from a guy who rates his own Wisdom as 8. Make peace with your yourself as a good person, and with your loved ones. We are only small in size when compared within the huge sweep of human events. Many had to deal with the centuries of slavery that swept the world in the past. We lucked out for a few hundred years with relative freedom, still punctuated by violent wars. The cycles will sweep over mankind like tsunamis over time, and we have to find our own islands of rationality and hold on with those we care for most.
@Son_of_Imoen said "If I was wiser, I would know how to deal psychologically with the knowledge of there being so much war in the world."
That's a tough one. Here's some advice from a guy who rates his own Wisdom as 8. Make peace with your yourself as a good person, and with your loved ones. We are only small in size when compared within the huge sweep of human events. Many had to deal with the centuries of slavery that swept the world in the past. We lucked out for a few hundred years with relative freedom, still punctuated by violent wars. The cycles will sweep over mankind like tsunamis over time, and we have to find our own islands of rationality and hold on with those we care for most.
CON all the way. I would be able to do all the super crazy suicidal fun stuff I want. "Oh no I'm bleeding! Wait... Nevermind." Broken bones? Not a problem. Get a tattoo and it heals almost instantly. Yeah, I want that.
You would never be able to catch those who picked dexterity or intelligence... And those who picked constitution would not be affected by your juggling XD
From someone who *does* 1st edition, 25 was not the maximum Comeliness. It ran from -30 to 40. Learn to 1e, n00b! (Just joking, but I just thought I'd put that out there.
1e UA lists the COM range as "-16 or lower" to 30. What source says -30 to 40? Just curious.
"A fool thinks himself to be a wise man, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." - mark twain, I think. Anyone who said wisdom doesn't need it.
On intelligence, I don't think you would be isolated or ostracized from the community, or not be able to relate with people, like some people are saying. I think with 18 int, you are, (Edwin) but by 25, you can see what people are like and be able to act the way they would want, and maybe know when to shut your mouth. So you would essentially get a charisma bounds as well, but it wouldn't be natural, it would all be a facade, that you put on to get what you want. I think wisdom would also do something similar.
I dunno. Even if we have high enough wisdom to know that we're not very clever, it's not likely to be much higher than 15 or 16. 25 is pretty godlike in comparison.
You would never truly understand the things you learn,
You would not value what your strength can really accomplish,
Your dexterity would lack precision and focus,
Leadership would be misguided and lead to ruin,
Perfect health would be taken for granted,
Comeliness would have made it out of first edition as a relevant character trait -> I believe Tyrion Lanister proves why this isn't really needed.
Intelligence is all well and good, but I can't help but feel that wisdom is necessary to practically apply what you learn to something relevant. I'd rather have a fully applicable intelligence of 14 rather than an intelligence of 25 that I can only half utilize because I don't "see" where my knowledge fits into the world. The two have a yin and yang relationship imo. While either is good by itself the real benefit comes from having equal quantities of both.
I really thought hard about this, and then I realized something, probably because Wisdom is my high aptitude stat in real life.
You would need 25 Wisdom in order for having 25 in any of the others not to end very, very badly, with much suffering on yourself for sure, and maybe on many, many other people around you.
This is like a Wish spell, or the proverbial three wishes from a genie. You're screwed if you say anything other than "I wish for the curse of this wish/these wishes to be removed from me. I wish to just go on with my life as usual."
If you wish for anything else, the Universe, or the genie, or the Devil, or whatever is granting the wish, will find some way to twist your words, or to ironically punish you for seeking to gain an unfair advantage over other human beings. It never fails. It's just how reality works, and it's inevitable.
Law of karma, and all that. "Be careful what you wish for, because you might get it."
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(I'm in poor health and wish I was better but them's the breaks I've got now.
Dex is prob best survival trait. Once you survive long enough through such experiences, it gives you a certain kind of wisdom. (ie. Don't sign up for the military.)
Charisma though is much harder to gain, it takes many failures and putting yourself in situations outside your comfort zones all the time to develop communication skills.
Having the charisma allows you to communicate effectively and with 25 stat you will become a living "Tony Stark" it would be easy to earn money with high charisma and much like the game Baldurs Gate, life always becomes much easier when you gain friends and clients who have valuable skills, you don't really ever solo life, you would not be the person you are today without other people with 25 charisma you could change the entire tide of your life through speaking.
I don't need a 25, I'd settle for an 18. Now if I could add the other 7 points to Wisdom....?
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” - Bertrand Russell
:P
I think I remember seeing a couple of responses by people who said that someone with a 25 Wisdom would likely be assassinated by fanatics for their "heretical" and radical ideas. While I agree that there would be many people unhappy with this new "false messiah" or "iconoclast," I think that a person with 25 Wisdom would already have anticipated that possibility and taken measures to circumvent such an outcome (such as not being high-profile in the public sphere).
Also, I don't think Wisdom indicates any particular position on the alignment axis. "Goodness" is often equated with Wisdom by "good" people because, in order to bring about the stability or dominance of "good" in the world, it requires that they conduct themselves with a considerable degree of judgment, insight, willpower, etc., in achieving that goal. The same could be said for preserving "balance" or advancing the causes of "evil."
Comliness would be a close second.
Jokes aside I already go on in life using my intelligence, but I surely don't have a score of 25. It would come in handy XD
And my head I'd be scratchin', while my thoughts were busy hatchin'
Same situation.
And it takes someone chronically ill to want a higher constitution. Trust me on this. I'd love to regenerate my nerves.
So you can dodge bullets eh? Take a steam roller to the face and live? Invent 'Warp' speed on star ships?
Well I have an army.
That's a tough one. Here's some advice from a guy who rates his own Wisdom as 8.
Make peace with your yourself as a good person, and with your loved ones. We are only
small in size when compared within the huge sweep of human events. Many had to deal
with the centuries of slavery that swept the world in the past. We lucked out for a few
hundred years with relative freedom, still punctuated by violent wars. The cycles will sweep
over mankind like tsunamis over time, and we have to find our own islands of rationality
and hold on with those we care for most.
XD
Anyone who said wisdom doesn't need it.
On intelligence, I don't think you would be isolated or ostracized from the community, or not be able to relate with people, like some people are saying. I think with 18 int, you are, (Edwin) but by 25, you can see what people are like and be able to act the way they would want, and maybe know when to shut your mouth. So you would essentially get a charisma bounds as well, but it wouldn't be natural, it would all be a facade, that you put on to get what you want. I think wisdom would also do something similar.
You would never truly understand the things you learn,
You would not value what your strength can really accomplish,
Your dexterity would lack precision and focus,
Leadership would be misguided and lead to ruin,
Perfect health would be taken for granted,
Comeliness would have made it out of first edition as a relevant character trait -> I believe Tyrion Lanister proves why this isn't really needed.
Intelligence is all well and good, but I can't help but feel that wisdom is necessary to practically apply what you learn to something relevant. I'd rather have a fully applicable intelligence of 14 rather than an intelligence of 25 that I can only half utilize because I don't "see" where my knowledge fits into the world. The two have a yin and yang relationship imo. While either is good by itself the real benefit comes from having equal quantities of both.
You would need 25 Wisdom in order for having 25 in any of the others not to end very, very badly, with much suffering on yourself for sure, and maybe on many, many other people around you.
This is like a Wish spell, or the proverbial three wishes from a genie. You're screwed if you say anything other than "I wish for the curse of this wish/these wishes to be removed from me. I wish to just go on with my life as usual."
If you wish for anything else, the Universe, or the genie, or the Devil, or whatever is granting the wish, will find some way to twist your words, or to ironically punish you for seeking to gain an unfair advantage over other human beings. It never fails. It's just how reality works, and it's inevitable.
Law of karma, and all that. "Be careful what you wish for, because you might get it."