Can Khalid be Removed and then re-recruited??

Eadwyn_G8keeper

Thinking of dropping him off in Firebeard's House for some Investigative R&R while I do the Minsc-Dynaheir rescue [Gauntlets] quest. Not planning to keep Minsc-Dynaheir but my inner critic finds it unlikely that there would be a reasonable incentive for being anywhere near Gauntlets of Dexterity without Minsc in the party.

Core Party in early game: F/M-CG HalfelvenPC, Imoen, Jaheira, Ajantis, Kivan [Imoen>DualMage at Level 4-5]

Then I will let Minsc go to be with Dynaheir. At that point, since this is my first run, I totally don't know whether Jaheira and Ajantis can fill the Cleric hole [Remove Fear!] or whether I should recruit Branwen before heading to the mines. Alternatively I could take that 5 member party on some XP harvesting before returning to Nashkel. I understand that Branwen turns out well when recruited at higher levels so might even try to do the mines without a full party.

The same question applies to Ajantis. Could I give him a breather for awhile and re-recruit him?

Jackkel_Dragon

In my experience, dropping Branwen, Khalid, Jaheira, Montaron, Xzar, and Kivan just leaves them where you remove them from the party unless your reputation is in a bad range for them. However, Khalid/Jaheira and Monty/Xzar both leave the party if they're both alive when you try to drop one of them.

Kirkor

Jackkel_Dragon said:

However, Khalid/Jaheira and Monty/Xzar both leave the party if they're both alive when you try to drop one of them.

There are few... things, that makes it possible to have those separated:
1) Kill one of them... But, obviously, you won't recruit him back
2) Turn him into stone
3) The easiest one: Send Khalid alone to some building/floor, where you don't normaly go (for example: Last floor of Frendly Arms Inn). Then kick him out of the party. He won't be able to talk with you after you threw him out, so Jaheira will stay with you. Talk about quick divorces...

Eadwyn_G8keeper

Thats why I was thinking of Firebeard's place. It would also fit nicely with the fact that he is still alive apparently in the backstory of the sequel. Also makes novelistic sense, now that Ajantis and Kivan are on board, for Khalid to solicit Firebeard's help in some discreet investigations in other directions while Nashkel is being taken care of... Much kinder than wandering into the attentions of one of the Flesh Golems in High Hedge, for ex.

I would really like to help Minsc [and of course the Gauntlets for Ajantis] but I kinda like the party as it stands...

The problem I foresee however, should I want to re-enlist him at higher level after cleaning out Nashkel, would be that his Stats would be sub-par for the Mid-Late Game...

Anyhow.... I may check it out and keep an early Save in the Bank in case it totally implodes.

Lemernis

When you remove Khalid from the party make sure to take him inside whichever building you wish to park him without Jaheira. (I usually do this with just the PC and the NPC that is being removed, leaving everyone else outside.) Firebeard's house sounds like a good choice, as there's no need to return there other than to add him back into the party at some future point if you wish. With Khalid there, if Jaheira is with you when you reenter Firebeard's home then Khalid will try to rejoin. So if you have other NPCs parked inside that house as well, and wish to swap out some other NPCs, leave Jaheira outside.

Aasimar069

You'd better keep Jaheira until you find Yeslick in the Mines.

Bigfish

Who is this Firebeard? I only know of a Firebead Elvenhair.

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Fardragon

Khalid is boring.

Oxford_Guy

Aasimar069 said:

You'd better keep Jaheira until you find Yeslick in the Mines.

Well there's also Branwyn, who can cast more spells than Jaheira (16 Wis vs 14), levels-up quicker and has access to a wider pool of spells and IMHO is less annoying... She's not as good in melee, however.

Oxford_Guy

Bhaaldog said:

I would keep Khalid. He is quite a good NPC with the appropriate equipment.

So is Ajantis, who I'd rather take, though he needs the Dex gloves, which means Yeslick can't have them, which might be a problem, unless taking Branwyn

Eadwyn_G8keeper

Oxford_Guy said:

Bhaaldog said:

I would keep Khalid. He is quite a good NPC with the appropriate equipment.

So is Ajantis, who I'd rather take, though he needs the Dex gloves, which means Yeslick can't have them, which might be a problem, unless taking Branwyn

Agreed. The point is I definitely want Kivan so I cant run all three [with Jaheira and Imoen] if I want to do the Minsc quest. Also, my Fighter/Mage [wielding WarHammer for its disruptive Speed Factor and just because] + Bow, is a better Early Game tank than Khalid. But then Khalid's HP begins to dominate at Levels 3-5....

This is really a personal Storyline quibble rather than a PowerGame choice. I dont really want either Minsc or Dynaheir but I definitely want the Gauntlets for Ajantis and find no easy plot reason for arriving at that encounter unless on the way to Gnoll Stronghold with Minsc or Edwin [or both of course]...

It also seems from an RPG POV that passing up Minsc and Edwin so prominently featured in Nashkel with both of them focussed on Dynaheir and then going off on several XP/GP harvesting adventures before clearing the Mines is problematic. My Value System puts high value on the StoryLine and will probably evolve towards the minimal Reload genres.

KidCarnival

Oxford_Guy said:

Well there's also Branwyn, who can cast more spells than Jaheira (16 Wis vs 14), levels-up quicker and has access to a wider pool of spells and IMHO is less annoying... She's not as good in melee, however.

Branwen's spell selection is arguably more useful, especially on low levels. Jaheira doesn't have the cleric spells (like Command) that help to take out or interrupt casters, for example, and instead comes with Alien Tentacles, which only hold, but don't prevent actions.

@Eadwyn_G8keeper: You could always take both Minsc and Edwin to Dynaheir and tell them you trust neither when you reach her. Ajantis would certainly want to help Minsc resue the damsel, but since he doesn't know her alignment at that point, he will become suspicious when Edwin voices concerns about her. Ajantis assumes that lawful people don't lie, so he's torn who to believe. When reaching Dynaheir, he realizes that she isn't evil or dangerous, yet for some reason chose to travel with a rather unstable bodyguard (who obviously didn't guard her too well, considering where she ended up). So he advises charname to just let those three mind their own business and return to more important tasks.

Eadwyn_G8keeper

KidCarnival said:

Oxford_Guy said:

Well there's also Branwyn, who can cast more spells than Jaheira (16 Wis vs 14), levels-up quicker and has access to a wider pool of spells and IMHO is less annoying... She's not as good in melee, however.

Branwen's spell selection is arguably more useful, especially on low levels. Jaheira doesn't have the cleric spells (like Command) that help to take out or interrupt casters, for example, and instead comes with Alien Tentacles, which only hold, but don't prevent actions.

@Eadwyn_G8keeper: You could always take both Minsc and Edwin to Dynaheir and tell them you trust neither when you reach her. Ajantis would certainly want to help Minsc resue the damsel, but since he doesn't know her alignment at that point, he will become suspicious when Edwin voices concerns about her. Ajantis assumes that lawful people don't lie, so he's torn who to believe. When reaching Dynaheir, he realizes that she isn't evil or dangerous, yet for some reason chose to travel with a rather unstable bodyguard (who obviously didn't guard her too well, considering where she ended up). So he advises charname to just let those three mind their own business and return to more important tasks.

@Kid Carnival and @Oxford Guy: -- I like it!! Jaheira and Khalid could both be temporarily turned loose for Information gathering purposes in a perfectly sensible way. Perhaps I could drop Jaheira off at the Manor House in Nashkel which has some Underground connection with the Harpers. Giving Khalid another assignment in Beregost and leaving him earlier at Firebead Elvenhair's house also makes sense. We should be able to handle the Hobgoblins in N Nashkel OK...

Charname could insist that rescuing Dynaheir should not be that big a deal considering how easily the Gnolls in High Hedge were dispatched and might also result in a Bona-fide Mage to assist them with whatever unknowns lie ahead. And certainly some information and networking might be just the thing. Almost like it was planned. Certainly my party has plenty of Melee and the point about Jaheira being another slow levelller is well-taken... HMMM!

Then how to get back safely to Branwen in Nashkel with only Charname F/M, Ajantis, Kivan and Imoen. Worth a shot at any rate and I can always Bank a save from Nashkel. Thanks

Nifft

Bigfish said:

Who is this Firebeard? I only know of a Firebead Elvenhair.

After the Prologue, he returns to his house in Beregost. You can see his marker on the town map.