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Who are the members of Charname's canonical party if there is a canonical party?
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  • Lord_TansheronLord_Tansheron Member Posts: 4,212
    BG1: Imoen, Dynaheir, Minsc, Jaheira, Khalid afaik; that is why they all end up in Irenicus' dungeon at the beginning of BG2.

    As for BG2, I know Imoen is part of the "canon" group from the novels for sure, but not so sure about the others.
  • ajwzajwz Member Posts: 4,122
    For me, canonical party in 2 is charname, minsc, jaheira, imoen/yoshimo/imoen, Nalia, Viconia.

    The only one I'm not convinced about on that list is viconia.
  • StrayedMonkeyStrayedMonkey Member Posts: 146
    well id guess its Charname, Imoen --> yoshimo, Minsc, Jaheira, Viconia and Edwin...just off the basis on the Mission Pack Group from ToSC
  • ElessarElessar Member Posts: 44
    BG2 seems to guide you to the copper coronet first when finding allies, so Charname, Minsc, Jaheira, I/Y/I, Anomen, and Nalia might make sense, especially since the BG1 cannon is an all good party. I agree that there's not really a strict cannon, though.
  • CoutelierCoutelier Member Posts: 1,282
    edited February 2013
    I would say Good PC, Imoen/Yoshimo, Minsc, Jaheira and Aerie for romance and also Aerie for being Minsc's witch, and Anomen (just because Vic might not get on with those characters, and it's a bit of a girl heavy party already), changing him for Sarevok in ToB.
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  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    For me it's

    Charname - Human Wizard
    Minsc
    Viconia
    Jan
    Firecam
    Jaheira
  • KirkorKirkor Member Posts: 700
    edited February 2013
    in TOB canonical would be Sarevok, because Charname HAVE to bring him back to life.

    I would go with:
    Charname
    Minsc
    Jaheira
    Imoen/Yoshimo/Imoen
    Aerie (the only romance giving you a child)
    Edwin/Sarevok (Edwin is essential in getting inside the thieves guild)
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  • helmo1977helmo1977 Member Posts: 366
    Well, it´is crystal clear. They should be the ones you start BG 2 with: Imoen, Jaheira, Minse, Khalid (even if he is dead in BG 2). To these ones you should add Viconia, which can be recruited very early in BG 2 and it is the only other one of the BG 1 characters that makes it into BG 2.
  • helmo1977helmo1977 Member Posts: 366
    Oh, I forgot Edwin. How could I forgot him?
  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    helmo1977 said:

    Oh, I forgot Edwin. How could I forgot him?

    Heresy. (Yes, yes, a fireball here and...)

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  • Lord_TansheronLord_Tansheron Member Posts: 4,212
    edited February 2013
    Are people aware what "canon" means? There is no "for me" in that equation; canon is defined by official works, not personal preference.

    For BG1, the reference is of course BG2, as you can see certain hints as to what happened in the time before BG2 starts and can infer party composition from that (i.e. Imoen, Minsc, Dynaheir, Jaheira, Khalid).

    For BG2, the only thing we could regard as canon (to my knowledge) are the BG2 novels dealing with Abdul Whatshisname. I know Imoen was there (and got it on with Phaere, too...), but I'm not sure about who else was in the party.
  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    According to the wiki, Abdel the Human travels with Imoen, Jaheira, Minsc, Sarevok and Yoshimo.
  • BerconBercon Member Posts: 485
    Keep in mind that most BG1 NPCs recognize you in BG2 so they were most likely part of your party at some point. That means there is no fixed canon party for entire duration of BG1 but you are supposed swap NPCs along the way.
  • karnor00karnor00 Member Posts: 680
    Eudaemonium said:

    According to the wiki, Abdel the Human travels with Imoen, Jaheira, Minsc, Sarevok and Yoshimo.

    That doesn't make much sense. Imoen and Yoshimo can't be in the same party (other than very briefly in the starter dungeon). And Sarevok isn't available until ToB.

    To me the most obvious ones are Jaheira, Minsc (both continuing from BG1) and Imoen/Yoshimo (a perfect fit in terms of availability).

    Aerie is a good fit for one of the remaining spots because she is available almost immediately and is good aligned (which fits with the BG1 canonical party). Plus she is a romance option.

    For the last spot it's pretty much guesswork. From the books Charname is a fighter so Nalia would dovetail nicely with the fighter stronghold quest. I don't think Viconia works from an alignment basis (plus the fact that Charname didn't pick her up in BG1). Keldorn would probably be released to live with his family. Jan or Anomen are the two other options who would integrate with a good party - the other good aligned NPCs seem too remote to be quickly picked up (assuming the canonical Charname would actually be in a hurry to get to Spellhold)
  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    I'm assuming they meant that Yoshimo was with Abdel until the inevitable occurred, afterwhich he was replaced by Imoen. That would make it a party of five, rather than 6, though. The books are rather mental though, and the BG1 book canon party includes Xan, Xzar and Monty at various points, and doesn't include Minsc, Dynaheir or even Imoen to my knowledge (never read them).
  • helmo1977helmo1977 Member Posts: 366
    Bercon said:

    Keep in mind that most BG1 NPCs recognize you in BG2 so they were most likely part of your party at some point. That means there is no fixed canon party for entire duration of BG1 but you are supposed swap NPCs along the way.

    THIS. However, when you are attacked and captured by Irenicus lackeys, you are travelling with a group formed by: You, Imoen, Dynaheir, Minse, Jaheira and Khalid.

    The other two playable NPCs that make their way into BG 2 are Viconia and Edwin, which, according to dialogue, formed part of your party in BG 1 at some point and for a given duration.
  • Lord_TansheronLord_Tansheron Member Posts: 4,212
    Always keep in mind that books will be different than the game in certain aspects. Like I mentioned earlier, Phaere and Imoen have some naughty-time in the books, while that is not an option in the game (if I'm wrong about that PLEASE TELL ME!). I assume other "facts" from the games have been altered in similar ways in the books.

    I agree that BG1 was built around more flimsy, frequently changing party setups; but given the fact that a party of six ends up in Irenicus' dungeon together, I think it's fair to assume those people were together at least for the end of BG1.

    Also, none of the old NPCs actually recognize you in BG2 - YOU recognize THEM, if you so choose. This says to me that it's more of a nod to veteran players rather than some "canonical" prior involvement. Some NPCs are even mentioned only in passing or ignore you altogether (like Ajantis or Garrick).

    But again, "what makes sense" or what you think "fits" is irrelevant when talking about canon - the only thing that matters is official reference material.
  • KaltzorKaltzor Member Posts: 1,050
    edited February 2013
    BG1's canonical party I think you have Xzar and Montaron at least for a while, but the final group is Charname, Khalid, Jaheira, Minsc, Dynaheir and Imoen.

    Xzar does come to ask help from you to retrieve Montaron from the Harpers and all that in BG2...
  • BigfishBigfish Member Posts: 367
    edited February 2013
    There isn't a canon party. It's all left ambiguous so the player doesn't have to feel shoe-horned in to a party they don't want.

    Kind of wish they had made the characters more interactive on that front in BG1, since a number of party members are active in the happenings of the game, like Branwen being petrified by Tranzig, or Kivan out for revenge on Tazok.

    Would have been nice if you could hold some party members in reserve, or some left willingly to make room for others, or it wasn't such a pain to gear up alternates.

    Which is why I like to take Jaheira in BG2. At some point she buggers off and you can go grab everyone else and do their quests.
  • Lord_TansheronLord_Tansheron Member Posts: 4,212
    edited February 2013
    Kaltzor said:

    Xzar does come to ask help from you to retrieve Montaron from the Harpers and all that in BG2...

    He does talk to you, yes, and so does Edwin, but they talk to you like to a random adventurer. Even if you point out your previous "connection" to them, they act all weird about it. Unlike Imoen, Misc, or Jaheira, who clearly state that they have been traveling with you previously (together with Khalid and Dynaheir).
  • KilivitzKilivitz Member Posts: 1,459
    BG2 assumes your group was Imoen, Khalid, Jaheira, Minsc and Dynaheir.

    As to what group would be considered canon for BG2, I imagine Jaheira, Minsc and Sarevok would make it. Imoen and Yoshimo for sure, considering their role in the main story. I don't know about Aerie, but I would say yes, she is "canon", considering she takes Dynaheir's place as Minsc's witch.
  • NifftNifft Member Posts: 1,065
    BG2 canon party is obviously:
    - CHARNAME
    - Dorn
    - Neera
    - Baeloth
    - (new Assassin)
    ... and a rotating slot for quests.
  • Lord_TansheronLord_Tansheron Member Posts: 4,212
    edited February 2013
    I've been trying to look a bit more into the BG2 novels and what's going on there, party-wise. I admit, I am confused.

    Apparently, Abdel Adrian (i.e. canon-CHARNAME) not only has an affair with Jaheira while Khalid is still alive and later whores out Imoen to Phaere - he also ends up falling for BODHI of all people, hopping in the sack with our favorite blood-sucker.


    I guess I should try and find a copy to read... :/
  • NifftNifft Member Posts: 1,065
    Lord_Tansheron said:

    I guess I should try and find a copy to read... :/

    Negatory. I repeat, negatory.

    The surgeon general contra-indicates reading bad fiction.
  • NonnahswriterNonnahswriter Member Posts: 2,520
    Lord_Tansheron said:

    I guess I should try and find a copy to read... :/

    You'd be better off reading good fanfiction, good sir...
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  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    Bhaaldog said:

    Eudaemonium said:

    I'm assuming they meant that Yoshimo was with Abdel until the inevitable occurred, afterwhich he was replaced by Imoen. That would make it a party of five, rather than 6, though. The books are rather mental though, and the BG1 book canon party includes Xan, Xzar and Monty at various points, and doesn't include Minsc, Dynaheir or even Imoen to my knowledge (never read them).

    I am actually going to read a copy just for fun...
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