No More Archer Dart Bonuses?

Tetrapus

I couldn't find it in any of the patch notes, but it seems they have made it so that Archers can no longer gain mastery+ with darts/no longer receive archer bonuses on attacks made with darts. When/why they change this?

Wowo

Tetrapus said:

I couldn't find it in any of the patch notes, but it seems they have made it so that Archers can no longer gain mastery+ with darts/no longer receive archer bonuses on attacks made with darts. When/why they change this?

Same for Slings I noticed.

Splod

Would have thought the secret lies in the name of the kit?

Luigirules

It's an Archer kit, not a "Master of all ranged weapons" kit.

Tetrapus

Please leave your snark and witticism at the door. I was just wondering why and when it was changed from bg2.

TJ_Hooker

AFAIK this hasn't changed. The Archer to hit and damage bonuses apply to all ranged weapons, but they were only ever able to go beyond 2 pips in bows/crossbows. Other ranged weapons were limited to 2 pips, and melee weapons limited to 1.

Tetrapus

TJ_Hooker said:

AFAIK this hasn't changed. The Archer to hit and damage bonuses apply to all ranged weapons, but they were only ever able to go beyond 2 pips in bows/crossbows. Other ranged weapons were limited to 2 pips, and melee weapons limited to 1.

I was checking out the stats last night on a new char. 2 pips in bow and 2 in dart, the only to hit bonuses. Fairly certain I did not have bonuses on the darts

Darrylson

Was the character in question an elf? If so they would receive a racial thac0 bonus with the bow which would be why their to hit would be lower (higher?) with the darts.

Dee

I just tested it--all ranged weapons gain the Archer's bonus to attack and damage. Bows and crossbows allow you to gain grandmastery.

If you're playing an elf, though, that might be causing a discrepancy (elves get -1 THAC0 with bows).

TJ_Hooker

Tetrapus said:

TJ_Hooker said:

AFAIK this hasn't changed. The Archer to hit and damage bonuses apply to all ranged weapons, but they were only ever able to go beyond 2 pips in bows/crossbows. Other ranged weapons were limited to 2 pips, and melee weapons limited to 1.

I was checking out the stats last night on a new char. 2 pips in bow and 2 in dart, the only to hit bonuses. Fairly certain I did not have bonuses on the darts

I just checked it out in game, and it looks like the archer damage bonuses aren't being factored in when showing the damage range with darts equipped. This is just a case of the display being wrong though; in combat you will still do the appropriate damage.

Zaor

Tetrapus said:

I was checking out the stats last night on a new char. 2 pips in bow and 2 in dart, the only to hit bonuses. Fairly certain I did not have bonuses on the darts

Afaik archer bonuses that would apply (+1 every 3 levels) start at level 3. The other bonuses are simply grandmastery potential in bows and called shot. If you test it with a level 1 dart thrower, it would be the same as any other fighter-based dart thrower. Can compare with a level 1 fighter-with-bow and archer-with-bow with the same race/stats/items.

Dee

Tested with an archer, specialized in both darts and bows; both weapons received the Archer bonus to both attack and damage.

Tetrapus

Aosaw said:

Tested with an archer, specialized in both darts and bows; both weapons received the Archer bonus to both attack and damage.

Hokay, must have made a mistake. Thanks for checkin

Thief_Of_Navarre

In BG2 at later levels (Watchers keep) an archer with darts was still pretty deadly. 5 attacks per round using wounding or stunning darts pretty much kills most things

bill_zagoudis

come on,why would you want to use darts on your archer,the best dart in game is a returning +3(no additional enhancements),so how about you get a lovely +5 longbow or crossbow instead?

Gallowglass

@bill_zagoudis: doesn't the Cloak of the Stars make +5 darts? Although only a few per day, as I recall.