Multi class fighter/mages get no bonus spells from int?

Felspawn

Is that normal? I'd imagine that makes Int less important to Fighter mages consdering Int Doesnt determine how high a level of spell you can cast..

Nifft

Int determines:
- Chance to learn a new spell
- Maximum number of spells learned per spell-level

Int does not give anyone bonus spells in 2e.

So it is important, just not in the same way that Wis is important to a Cleric.

atcDave

Felspawn said:

Is that normal? I'd imagine that makes Int less important to Fighter mages consdering Int Doesnt determine how high a level of spell you can cast..

Like every score, it does matter more in PNP 2E. Intelligence will affect the number of languages and/or non-weapon proficiencies you can have. And very high Intelligence will give you immunity to certain types of Illusion spells.

But as Nifft mentions, it's implimentation in BG is a little more limited.

Felspawn

Hmm must have confused it with wisdom and clerics my bad. Thx guys

DJKajuru

Intelligence also increases lore.

Fenghoang

Basically what @Nifft said. Intelligence over 19 in the BG games is pretty much overkill and superfluous. You don't gain much but 1% better chance to memorize spells, some lore boosts, and maybe the ability to take an extra hit from an illithid.

Oxford_Guy

Fenghoang said:

Basically what @Nifft said. Intelligence over 19 in the BG games is pretty much overkill and superfluous. You don't gain much but 1% better chance to memorize spells, some lore boosts, and maybe the ability to take an extra hit from an illithid.

I'm currently playing a Blade with only 13 Int (as I wanted 18 Str and Dex and had to make sacrifices somewhere), it's manageable, but in order to have a reasonable chance of scribing scrolls without wasting a load I do batch scroll scribing sessions after glugging two potions of genius. A "real" mage would probably want more than 9 spells in their book/level, though, so is likely to need 15+ Int (11 or more spells in your book/level).

For more info. see:
http://playithardcore.com/pihwiki/index.php?title=Baldur's_Gate:_Races_and_Stats#Intelligence

or

http://www.pocketplane.net/volothamp/stats.htm

helmo1977

atcDave said:

Felspawn said:

Is that normal? I'd imagine that makes Int less important to Fighter mages consdering Int Doesnt determine how high a level of spell you can cast..

Like every score, it does matter more in PNP 2E. Intelligence will affect the number of languages and/or non-weapon proficiencies you can have. And very high Intelligence will give you immunity to certain types of Illusion spells.

But as Nifft mentions, it's implimentation in BG is a little more limited.

Mre importantly. Int determines the maximum level of spells yuo can cast. 18 int is needed for top level spells. In bg 1 it is not much of a problem, as ypu can cast anything beyond five level, but in bg 2 is a must having at least 18. Or thta part was never implemented in bg?

Lord_Tansheron

Not implemented in BG. Even with minimum INT you can cast lvl9 spells. All INT changes is spell learn chance and maximum number of spells known (KNOWN, not castable!).

Oxford_Guy

helmo1977 said:

atcDave said:

Felspawn said:

Is that normal? I'd imagine that makes Int less important to Fighter mages consdering Int Doesnt determine how high a level of spell you can cast..

Like every score, it does matter more in PNP 2E. Intelligence will affect the number of languages and/or non-weapon proficiencies you can have. And very high Intelligence will give you immunity to certain types of Illusion spells.

But as Nifft mentions, it's implimentation in BG is a little more limited.

Mre importantly. Int determines the maximum level of spells yuo can cast. 18 int is needed for top level spells. In bg 1 it is not much of a problem, as ypu can cast anything beyond five level, but in bg 2 is a must having at least 18. Or thta part was never implemented in bg?

It wasn't implemented, sadly

Oxford_Guy

BTW you need a minimum of 9 Int to be able to cast from scrolls

bigdogchris

Felspawn said:

Hmm must have confused it with wisdom and clerics my bad. Thx guys

just an FYI, Wis bonus is for Priest only. Rng and Pal do not receive the bonus spells from Wis.

Lord_Tansheron

Oxford_Guy said:

BTW you need a minimum of 9 Int to be able to cast from scrolls

Wasn't there something about mages not being able to cast at all if they fall below 9 INT? I do seem recall something...

hansolo

To summarize what Int does

General:
1) increases Lore
2) Int 9 or above allows casting from some 'for general use' scrolls and wands
3) Illithids drain your Int (if any stat is zero you're dead); so more Int = good vs them

Mages:
1) higher Int allows for more spells to scribe to your spellbook (>18 Int = unlimited)
2) higher Int increases your chance to successfully scribe a spell to your spellbook

What Int doesn't do:
1) more spells per day like Wis
2) limit your spellcasting as per PnP (higher Int needed for higher level spell casting)
3) granting a bonus vs Illusion spells as per PnP