Does Wis, Int, or Cha affect saving throws or related skills?

FalkonSwiftblade

I played D&D vs 1 and 2 when I was a wee lad and seem to remember those stats affected my saving throws in some way, but I may be wrong since that was like 15 yrs ago. Other than increasing memorized spells or learning faster, is there a reason to keep them at a specific threshold? Does anyone have a suggestion of minimal values I should aim to keep? I'll be playing as either a Kensai, Archer, Monk, or maybe Dragon Disciple. Though I'd like to make an alt magic user of some sort as well.

Xavioria

I think only constitution affects saving throws, and that's only if you're a dwarf, gnome, or halfling... but I'm 98 percent sure that's it....

TJ_Hooker

-For everybody other than bards and mages, INT has no effect other providing a bonus to lore (and protecting against mindflayers in BG2), but you do need at least 9 (I think) INT to use scrolls (and wands too I think). For bards and mages, it also affects their chance to successfully copy a spell to their spellbook, and how many spells they can have in their spellbook at each spell level (does not grant extra casts per day)
-For everybody other that clerics and druids, WIS only grants a bonus to lore. Clerics and druids get extra casts per day from high WIS.
-CHA provides a bonus to reaction when you talk to people, and influences store prices. Some people say having a high CHA helps prevent your party members from panicking in combat, but I've never seen any solid evidence to support this.

For more details, see here: http://www.playithardcore.com/pihwiki/index.php?title=Baldur's_Gate:_Races_and_Stats

FalkonSwiftblade

hey thats helpful thanks!

Gallowglass

TJ_Hooker said:

... you do need at least 9 (I think) INT to use scrolls (and wands too I think).

Yes, wands too.

Oxford_Guy

Gallowglass said:

TJ_Hooker said:

... you do need at least 9 (I think) INT to use scrolls (and wands too I think).

Yes, wands too.

I also seem to vaguely recall that in BG2 there a a few items that require higher than 9 Int (maybe as high as 16) to use, but I could be mistaken. Int also helps you to survive Mind Flayer attacks for longer in BG2 IIRC.

Kaltzor

Dex does help in thievery skills... That's all the skill bonuses you get.

DetroitRedWings25

TJ_Hooker said:

-For everybody other than bards and mages, INT has no effect other providing a bonus to lore (and protecting against mindflayers in BG2), but you do need at least 9 (I think) INT to use scrolls (and wands too I think). For bards and mages, it also affects their chance to successfully copy a spell to their spellbook, and how many spells they can have in their spellbook at each spell level (does not grant extra casts per day)
-For everybody other that clerics and druids, WIS only grants a bonus to lore. Clerics and druids get extra casts per day from high WIS.
-CHA provides a bonus to reaction when you talk to people, and influences store prices. Some people say having a high CHA helps prevent your party members from panicking in combat, but I've never seen any solid evidence to support this.

For more details, see here: http://www.playithardcore.com/pihwiki/index.php?title=Baldur's_Gate:_Races_and_Stats

According to my ancient Baldurs Gate game manual most of this holds true however there is one thing missing. Wisdom supposidly gives you a Magic Defense Adjustment. at 15 +1, 16 +2, 17 +3 and 18-25 +4

Jalily

DetroitRedWings25 said:

According to my ancient Baldurs Gate game manual most of this holds true however there is one thing missing. Wisdom supposidly gives you a Magic Defense Adjustment. at 15 +1, 16 +2, 17 +3 and 18-25 +4

Not implemented.

DetroitRedWings25

Jalily said:

DetroitRedWings25 said:

According to my ancient Baldurs Gate game manual most of this holds true however there is one thing missing. Wisdom supposidly gives you a Magic Defense Adjustment. at 15 +1, 16 +2, 17 +3 and 18-25 +4

Not implemented.

So it was planned but ultimately they did away with the idea? I had always wondered about this as I never saw a magic defense adjustment listed on my charector sheet, nor do people seem to mention it.

Fardragon

DetroitRedWings25 said:

Jalily said:

DetroitRedWings25 said:

According to my ancient Baldurs Gate game manual most of this holds true however there is one thing missing. Wisdom supposidly gives you a Magic Defense Adjustment. at 15 +1, 16 +2, 17 +3 and 18-25 +4

Not implemented.

So it was planned but ultimately they did away with the idea? I had always wondered about this as I never saw a magic defense adjustment listed on my charector sheet, nor do people seem to mention it.

I guess it got a bit messy flagging which attacks qualified for the bonus and which didn't. It's part of the PnP rules.

Wanderon

Fardragon said:

DetroitRedWings25 said:

Jalily said:

DetroitRedWings25 said:

According to my ancient Baldurs Gate game manual most of this holds true however there is one thing missing. Wisdom supposidly gives you a Magic Defense Adjustment. at 15 +1, 16 +2, 17 +3 and 18-25 +4

Not implemented.

So it was planned but ultimately they did away with the idea? I had always wondered about this as I never saw a magic defense adjustment listed on my charector sheet, nor do people seem to mention it.

I guess it got a bit messy flagging which attacks qualified for the bonus and which didn't. It's part of the PnP rules.

I am also fairly certain that quite a bit of stuff in the original (and subsequent) manuals was cut/pasted from other sources and not always edited properly to reflect only what was actually implemented.

CamDawg

Wanderon said:

I am also fairly certain that quite a bit of stuff in the original (and subsequent) manuals was cut/pasted from other sources and not always edited properly to reflect only what was actually implemented.

The appendix also includes base scores for a thief's abilities in Detect Noise, Climb Walls, and Read Languages.

Fardragon

Wanderon said:

Fardragon said:

DetroitRedWings25 said:

Jalily said:

DetroitRedWings25 said:

According to my ancient Baldurs Gate game manual most of this holds true however there is one thing missing. Wisdom supposidly gives you a Magic Defense Adjustment. at 15 +1, 16 +2, 17 +3 and 18-25 +4

Not implemented.

So it was planned but ultimately they did away with the idea? I had always wondered about this as I never saw a magic defense adjustment listed on my charector sheet, nor do people seem to mention it.

I guess it got a bit messy flagging which attacks qualified for the bonus and which didn't. It's part of the PnP rules.

I am also fairly certain that quite a bit of stuff in the original (and subsequent) manuals was cut/pasted from other sources and not always edited properly to reflect only what was actually implemented.

Yup. Stuff in the game too, like some spell descriptions.

Oxford_Guy

They also didn't implement Int affecting the max spell level you can cast, sadly. Int would matter more then, especially for Sorcerors who basically don't need high Int currently.

the_spyder

Wisdom also effects Wish spell in BG2. But there are three +Wisdom tomes in BG1 and several potions of wisdom in BG2 so......

Tyranus

I can't think of a single item that requires a min int score that is required for a sorcerer.

Nevertheless, I always roll at least 18int/17wis for my Sorcerers. I like the buffer against Mind Flayers, the additional dialogue options here and there, and most importantly Wish will let me auto-rest. This is an absolute MUST for any solo Sorcerer attempts and is always my first level 9 spell slot.

Tyranus

except for 9 int for wands and scrolls, of course.

kilroy_was_here

If you have a higher INT you can escape from the Maze spell faster. At least, that's what the spell description says... don't know if it was actually implemented.

Also, for the Wish spell Wisdom requirement: technically the Wisdom check is on the character that interacts with the genie (or whatever first) not necessarily who cast the spell. If you have a different character talk to it immediately when they spawn it will be their Wisdom that counts.

TJ_Hooker

kilroy_was_here said:

If you have a higher INT you can escape from the Maze spell faster. At least, that's what the spell description says... don't know if it was actually implemented.

Also, for the Wish spell Wisdom requirement: technically the Wisdom check is on the character that interacts with the genie (or whatever first) not necessarily who cast the spell. If you have a different character talk to it immediately when they spawn it will be their Wisdom that counts.

I think that it's been stated somewhere that this is already fixed for BG2:EE, so that the caster is always the one doing the talking.

The_Shairs_Handbook

Charisma/ npc and followers Reaction / Shop Prices
3/ -8/ 100%
4/ -7/ 100%
5/ -6/ 100%
6/ -5/ 100%
7/ -4/ 100%
8/ -2/ 100%
9/ -1/ 100%
10/ 0/ 100%
11/ 0/ 100%
12/ 0/ 100%
13/ +1/ 100%
14/ +2/ 100%
15/ +3/ 100%
16/ +4/ 95%
17/ +4/ 90%
18/ +5/ 85%
19/ +8/ 80%
20/ +9/ 75%
21/ +10/ 75%
22/ +11/ 75%
23/ +12/ 75%
24/ +13/ 75%
25/ +14/ 75%

thats what CHA does in the game.... less in fighting to non between party members and more talk option with Npc and it's get easier to buy stuff in the shops

Wanderon

@The_Shairs_Handbook - is that chart specific to BG:EE?

The_Shairs_Handbook

Wanderon said:

@The_Shairs_Handbook - is that chart specific to BG:EE?

Wanderon got this info from here

http://playithardcore.com/pihwiki/index.php?title=Baldur's_Gate:_Races_and_Stats

Wanderon

@The_Shairs_Handbook - seems to me I saw something posted somewhere in these forums that suggested the devs "fixed" some things in the charisma implementation so outside source material may or may not be 100% correct for BGEE - for that matter the "official" documentation for charisma in BG Vanilla was never correct either as I recall.

I suspect the only way to know for sure is for someone (much more tech savvy than I) to look at it in one of the toolsets available.

Jalily

The table posted is accurate for BG:EE.

The_Shairs_Handbook

Wanderon said:

I suspect the only way to know for sure is for someone (much more tech savvy than I) to look at it in one of the toolsets available.

hmmm i'm a charisma junky... never done a charname below charisma 18 lol....
i'll check it out later on the diffirence 18 - 25 are in the shops....