Halfling slinger as a restricted archer kit, or non-ranger archer as fighter kit

Turcam

I find it a pity that the only archer kit is linked to the ranger class and as such, also to human and elf races. I would love to have more options to choose from as non-caster ranged attack specialist, like a halfling slinger or a sharpshooter that could be a more urban form of the archer...

Anyone agrees?

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Turcam

A halfling fighter specializing in slings is nothing compared to an elven archer. Lower thaco, less damage, no stealth, and so on. That's what my whole idea is about: there are plenty of different kits that allow you to make very diverse melee fighter types, incl the berserker, kensai, swashbuckler etc. There is no such diversity if you choose to play a ranged fighter type. Simply said, when you decide to want to play a ranged fighter type, you end up with an elven archer with bow. Point. Nothing more to choose.

Turcam

What i aim at, is more races that would make fun ranged fighters, more different ranged fighter styles, like instead of stealth and ranger spells, something else, like more urban or race-specific advantages next to the ranged feature...

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Turcam

Well, perhaps you are right that a good fighter build could somehow outclass an archer, but the more important part of my post was the last half actually. To me, it's more about the fun options for ranged fighters that are lacking. I think of halfling slinger, dwarven axe thrower, urban-style sharpshooter etc.

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Nifft

I'm thinking of a Marksman kit: a type of Fighter, gets some of the Archer perks, and can get GM in any missile weapon, plus Specialization in Axes & Daggers (since they're not strictly missile). As a Fighter kit, it would be open to all races & alignments.

Turcam

Marksman, slinger, axe thrower, all valid options to add more flavor to the ranged fighter type. If i work things out a bit further, it could look like this:
1) an additional "generic archer type" (let's call this the marksman kit for now) linked to fighter class instead of ranger class, with similar archery advantage of hit/damage bonus per 3 levels, but no stealth and no divine spells nor other ranger advantages. Instead of those advantages, the marksman could get melee limitation at weapon specialization (2slots) instead of just proficiency (1slot) like the archer, OR if we want to limit melee weapons like the archer to 1 slot only, we could think of some more urban advantages. Maybe a very limited set of thief skills, like the monk has, which are linked to urban settings, e.g. Open locks, OR maybe a limited set of arcane spells that enhance the marksmanship, like spells that increase accuracy or speed, or add fire damage to arrows or bolts.
The marksman could indeed be open for any race, any alignment, as the more urban or arcane instead of divine "version of the archer".
2) one or more race specific ranged fighter types, like we have in melee with the dwarven defender, could be nice as well. A dwarven axe thrower could be like the ranged version of a berserker, allowed grand mastery in throwing axes but just proficiency or specialization in any melee weapon. Berserker rage doesn't feel right with ranged attacks, so it could be replaced with some other battle frenzy like adding to APR for throwing axes. Of course such advantages should have some trade off in other areas like allowed armor or melee fighting.
The halfling slinger could be similar to marksman with sling or halfling specific advantages like called shot with other fun effects, or again, slightly different thief skill supplements as compared to the archer...

I know i am still not making things very specific, but i'd like to hear opinions on possible advantages and restrictions as well...

Iecerint

What's up with this "urban" business? O.o