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Boston marathon explosions

LapaLapa Member Posts: 73
Who do you think is behind this? I think there are 3 options:
1. Some random american anarchist
2. North Korea
3. Middle-eastern group of terrorists

I think it might be some domestic group or person. Those bombs were not very powerful and it seems little amateurish to be organized by some country. Lets hope there won't be other sad events like this.

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  • mch202mch202 Member Posts: 1,455
    One of the 2 suspects is dead after a gun fight with the police, the 2nd suspect is on the run.. hopefully they will get him soon!

    http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Boston-Marathon-suspect-killed-second-sought-after-Watertown-explosions-gunfire/-/11971628/19812240/-/8jn3t7/-/index.html
  • ChildofBhaal599ChildofBhaal599 Member Posts: 1,781
    Hopefully it is resolved soon, and we can get the other one alive so that we can know their motivation.
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    Very unfortunate tragedy, my prayers are with the victims and their families.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    I've got a potentially controversial opinion here. Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

    When someone goes off the deep end, it becomes an extremely dangerous situation because of widespread availability of guns. Sometimes seemingly normal people just seem to go "nuts" for whatever reason. This could be due to mental illness, life problems they can't see past or temporary insanity. I would point to this event, along with the Christopher Dorner manhunt to support my view.

    Relatedly, some groups say arming teachers would have stopped school shootings at Sandy Hook. Maybe. Or maybe it would lead to more incidents like this.

    Armed residents in Boston are not being asked by the police if they can come outside and help or anything, police are asking people to lock themselves indoors. So I would use that to counter someone who might say that "if everyone was armed this guy wouldn't make it around the block!"

    This seems to me to be a bad situation made more tragic by easy access to fire arms.
  • ChildofBhaal599ChildofBhaal599 Member Posts: 1,781
    Good news everyone, suspect in custody! Now we might get answers
  • StarlilyStarlily Member Posts: 97

    Good news everyone, suspect in custody! Now we might get answers

    Yes, as long as he has enough police guards to keep him alive.

    I really like the folks in the town applauding the law enforcement cars as they drive away from the scene. I'd applaud too but a little too far away. :)
  • TeflonTeflon Member, Translator (NDA) Posts: 515

    Good news everyone, suspect in custody! Now we might get answers

    So what was the cause? Does anyone heard something~?
  • Kitteh_On_A_CloudKitteh_On_A_Cloud Member Posts: 1,629
    I read that this incident lead to stronger weapon laws. People wanting to buy a weapon will now have their background checked first. I heard a lot of people raging over this and I'm seriously wondering why. First of all, weapons shouldn't just be sold as easily as toys are. Secondly, if you've got a good background (no mental issues, no jail history etc), there's nothing to be afraid of. But then people strat xcreaming again about how it infringes on their freedom. Seriously? Talk about freedom again when your kid gets shot in the head by another crazy fellow. I'm really happy Europe's got severe laws on weapons. You just can't trust putting weapons in the hands of the common folk, sorry.
  • Kitteh_On_A_CloudKitteh_On_A_Cloud Member Posts: 1,629
    *start screaming
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317

    I read that this incident lead to stronger weapon laws. People wanting to buy a weapon will now have their background checked first. I heard a lot of people raging over this and I'm seriously wondering why. First of all, weapons shouldn't just be sold as easily as toys are. Secondly, if you've got a good background (no mental issues, no jail history etc), there's nothing to be afraid of. But then people strat xcreaming again about how it infringes on their freedom. Seriously? Talk about freedom again when your kid gets shot in the head by another crazy fellow. I'm really happy Europe's got severe laws on weapons. You just can't trust putting weapons in the hands of the common folk, sorry.

    Gun background check bill failed in the senate. I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say this had actually lead to stronger weapon laws. US has a fair amount of restrictions in place on the possession of explosives already, including restrictions on gunpowder. Evidently they didn't work. Gunpowder is such a commonly available substance I doubt controlling it further will help prevent psycho's this committed to killing people from actually killing people.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963

    I read that this incident lead to stronger weapon laws. People wanting to buy a weapon will now have their background checked first. I heard a lot of people raging over this and I'm seriously wondering why. First of all, weapons shouldn't just be sold as easily as toys are. Secondly, if you've got a good background (no mental issues, no jail history etc), there's nothing to be afraid of. But then people strat xcreaming again about how it infringes on their freedom. Seriously? Talk about freedom again when your kid gets shot in the head by another crazy fellow. I'm really happy Europe's got severe laws on weapons. You just can't trust putting weapons in the hands of the common folk, sorry.

    I agree @Kitteh_On_A_Cloud as an American, but I have lived overseas for more than a decade at different times and it seems I'm a huge minority as far as these views go. Walking downtown in major cities in the UK, France, the Netherlands and Italy, I felt safe. I felt like the absolute worst that could happen would be I get beat up and that seemed very unlikely. Walking downtown in Detroit or major cities in the US it's different, you can get shot. It just feels much more lawless. Walking outside in Europe people say "hello!" and stuff. In the US, they look the other way. I don't think it was always like this here.
  • Dantos4Dantos4 Member Posts: 58
    (Apologies for the wall o' text!)

    My 50 cents, and a different perspective coming from the UK:

    Even though guns are illegal here, it doesn't stop nutjobs or gangs or any criminals from getting hold of them. Sure, it makes them less prevalent. But it doesn't stop a lunatic from getting his hands on them. It also doesn't stop people getting "Licensed Firearms" and using them anyway, in the unfortunate case of a man named Derek Bird, who killed 12 people here and was "licensed".

    In my own opinion it doesn't matter if you make it "illegal" for this man to own a gun. He's trying to kill people: his care for the legal system is pretty much 0 at that point.

    However, I would be willing to bet that while hypothetically guns help to deter thieves and "holdups" at stores, some form of legislation on gun control WOULD help to lessen things like accidental deaths via firearms and would help to promote a more friendly culture between people (as @smeagolheart notes above this post).

    I can't say for certain, but I would say that the "friendly" European culture and particularly the "overly polite" British culture would change drastically if everybody could "open carry", as you guys call it.

    On a similar subject, I find it terrifying that many of your police openly carry guns. In the UK there are only our versions of SWAT teams who carry guns (armed response units). It makes the police a LOT less intimidating and a lot more... well... sociable. Although, as with all professions, I have met some seriously idiotic policemen, too.

    Curiously, there was a study here in which they asked officers whether they would like guns or not. The majority declined to have them, even though many of our criminals possess guns.

    (Just because I can: IMO Government is taking all of your guns to prepare for a "Brave New World" styled USA. Authoritarian tyrannical regimes inevitably spring from democracy, as Plato once suggested. But that is tangential.)
  • mch202mch202 Member Posts: 1,455
    The Boston terrorist attack has nothing to do with the question if guns are illegal or not, the attack was carried out with home-made explosives and not with guns. And if someone wants to carry attack such as this it doesn't matter if weapons are illegal, he will find one way or another do to it.
  • Kitteh_On_A_CloudKitteh_On_A_Cloud Member Posts: 1,629
    So basically there's absolutely nothing you can do to prevent things like this? That's a bit of a cynical attitude. Let's just sit back in our chairs and wait till another loony goes out on the streets massacring children then, shall we?
  • DrugarDrugar Member Posts: 1,566

    So basically there's absolutely nothing you can do to prevent things like this? That's a bit of a cynical attitude. Let's just sit back in our chairs and wait till another loony goes out on the streets massacring children then, shall we?

    Pretty much. If someone wants to do damage to someone or something without regard for himself, he'll be able to pull it off in most cases. I'm in a room right now with two collegues. I can kill them both with little problems in under a minute with what I have lying around, if I feel like it (I don't, they're nice people and I'm not a crazy person). There's not a system in the world that can stop me, unless everyone carries a gun (or at least a knife) all the time, which will lead to a massive increase in casualties.
    If I want to kidnap and murder a random person, I will be able to pull this off tonight (again, I won't, I'm not crazy, please don't think I'm crazy or call the cops, I'm a likable little dwarf). Police will have to patrol all the streets and a curfew will have to be instated if they'd want to stop me.
    They can catch me afterwards, but the deed will have been done. And most rampage shooters don't expect to survive (they usually kill themselves anyway).

    More security can't prevent this from happening. A good mental healthcare system, more social security (so people will call for help when they notice their neighbour is stockpiling weapons) might *lessen* the chances of this happening. Restricting access to guns makes this more difficult but it's not a magical solution. In the end, it's the people that kill people, in any way they'll think of, when they feel like doing it.

    That said, I'm glad I live in a country where firearms are strictly prohibited and there's a distinct lack of violence glorification.
  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    Drugar said:

    So basically there's absolutely nothing you can do to prevent things like this? That's a bit of a cynical attitude. Let's just sit back in our chairs and wait till another loony goes out on the streets massacring children then, shall we?

    More security can't prevent this from happening. A good mental healthcare system, more social security (so people will call for help when they notice their neighbour is stockpiling weapons) might *lessen* the chances of this happening. Restricting access to guns makes this more difficult but it's not a magical solution. In the end, it's the people that kill people, in any way they'll think of, when they feel like doing it.

    That said, I'm glad I live in a country where firearms are strictly prohibited and there's a distinct lack of violence glorification.
    Insightful... A societal problem. USA seems to not value helping others as much as other countries. This seems to be for a couple of reasons. It is a relic of the cold war enemies of capitalism where the "enemy is communism and socialism" attitude.

    The American dream is (roughly) if you apply yourself you can achieve anything regardless of socioeconomic starting point. This is interpreted by some in a selfish manner (*cough* Romney) as it's your fault if you are falling behind. You don't deserve any help, just go earn a million dollars ya bum. This is all well and good if you are Charlie Sheen and #winning but if you get cancer or disabled then it's not so great.

    So I am not surprised to hear what recently happened to my brother-in-law. He is cancer riddled and has lingered on for 4 years after he was given 6 months to live. He has "coded" several times (unresponsive), has several secondary health issues such as renal failure and memory problems was denied for disability. He's not too sick to work. I suppose he'll be too sick to work when he finally dies, but then it will be a bit late.


  • gesellegeselle Member Posts: 325
    I'm not so shocked by the bombing itself, but rather the following reactions. !Lockdown!, soldiers on the street, drones flying around and after catching the remaining bomber, people are celebrating onthe streets, shouting USA USA, just as retarded, when they got bin laden killed. Lockdown what the hell ?! No outcry? Nothing?! And if this bomber is declared an enemy combatant, I'll lose the last tiny bits of sympathy i have for this nation.
    Land of the free, home of the brave my ass, rather zealous, blind, and spitting on what their founding fathers once were fighting for.
  • mch202mch202 Member Posts: 1,455
    edited April 2013
    geselle said:

    I'm not so shocked by the bombing itself, but rather the following reactions. !Lockdown!, soldiers on the street, drones flying around and after catching the remaining bomber, people are celebrating onthe streets, shouting USA USA, just as retarded, when they got bin laden killed. Lockdown what the hell ?! No outcry? Nothing?! And if this bomber is declared an enemy combatant, I'll lose the last tiny bits of sympathy i have for this nation.
    Land of the free, home of the brave my ass, rather zealous, blind, and spitting on what their founding fathers once were fighting for.

    The lockdown in Watertown was after the 2 terrorist brothers were spotted there and the younger one escaped after a FIRE FIGHT, should the people of the Watertown continue to walk free on the streets while a man who planted bombs and murdered a police officer just earlier is on the run within the boundaries of the town? how would you handle it??



  • smeagolheartsmeagolheart Member Posts: 7,963
    geselle said:

    I'm not so shocked by the bombing itself, but rather the following reactions. !Lockdown!, soldiers on the street, drones flying around and after catching the remaining bomber, people are celebrating onthe streets, shouting USA USA, just as retarded, when they got bin laden killed. Lockdown what the hell ?! No outcry? Nothing?! And if this bomber is declared an enemy combatant, I'll lose the last tiny bits of sympathy i have for this nation.
    Land of the free, home of the brave my ass, rather zealous, blind, and spitting on what their founding fathers once were fighting for.

    Human rights are all well and good until it's inconvenient. Then it's time to whip out the waterboard and toss the miranda rights out the window.
  • mch202mch202 Member Posts: 1,455
    edited April 2013
    BTW
    White House press secretary Jay Carney says Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will not be charged as an enemy combatant but instead face trial in a federal court.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/22/carney_boston_bomber_will_not_be_charged_as_enemy_combatant.html



  • gesellegeselle Member Posts: 325
    For once good news.
    Still the lockdown remains. I mean 1 million people, forced to remain at home? Is this their so-called freedom? There is one person on the run and your first idea is to lock up a whole region? How long was this supposed to last, in case the second bomber wouldn't get caught?
  • mch202mch202 Member Posts: 1,455
    edited April 2013
    I can understand the lockdown in Watertown, but perhaps the lockdown in Boston which is 10km distance from Watertown was unnecessary and perhaps resulted from lack of experience dealing with this kind of incidents, and panic. I think that road blocks could be suffice.
  • Kitteh_On_A_CloudKitteh_On_A_Cloud Member Posts: 1,629
    It's safety procedures. I'd rather stay safely at home during such a time. Who knows what other crazy things that bomber will do. Wouldn't want to run into him on the street, lol.
  • mch202mch202 Member Posts: 1,455
    Tamerlan Tsarnaev vowed to die for Islam;judge may have prematurely stopped brother's interrogation, sources say

    Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev sent text messages to his mother as early as 2011 suggesting he was willing to die for Islam, the FBI told lawmakers this week according to two officials with knowledge of the Capitol Hill briefing.

    Tsarnaev, who was killed days after the April 15 bombing in a shootout with police, is said to have embraced radical Islam in recent years and recruited his younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, to carry out the attack that killed three and wounded more than 180 near the finish line of the world's most prestigious road race.

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/25/tamerlan-tsarnaev-vowed-to-die-for-islam-judge-prematurely-stopped-brother/#ixzz2RSe1tKVP

    For those who still wonder why the did this.. or as Biden said yesterday: "two twisted, perverted, cowardly knockoff jihadis".
  • Kitteh_On_A_CloudKitteh_On_A_Cloud Member Posts: 1,629
    @mch202: And that is why I have come to dislike religion so much. Or rather, the way people exectue or handle their religion. It only causes innocent people to suffer. No religion is the 'right' one, the ideal one, yet people would start wars because of some religious 'ideals'. It's so idiotic, really. It's also why I dislike the Islam, because it's such a radical religion. Not to mention the whole debate about women still having to cover their head and the man being the only one having a say in things at home. I know this may sound insulting and narrow-minded, but it's pretty much the most widespread view nowadays. I have nothing against these people, but their way of going about certain things worries me. It just testifies a very conservative and old-fashioned world view.
  • AristilliusAristillius Member Posts: 873
    I think it's too easy to blame it on religion. It is an important component, but not a full explanation. I'm afraid the Israel/Palestine conflict and drone strikes in Pakistani villages doesnt come without some sort of reprecussions.

    That said, there is no excuse for these acts and I hope everyone in Boston is doing as good as possible considering the circumstances.
  • mch202mch202 Member Posts: 1,455
    edited April 2013

    I think it's too easy to blame it on religion. It is an important component, but not a full explanation. I'm afraid the Israel/Palestine conflict and drone strikes in Pakistani villages doesnt come without some sort of reprecussions.

    That said, there is no excuse for these acts and I hope everyone in Boston is doing as good as possible considering the circumstances.

    It's funny that you automatically mention the Israel/Paliestine conflict while those 2 came from Chechnya which is conflicted with Russia for a long and bloody time, and the older brother carried the attacks after he visited his home in 2011 and Russia even warned the US about him, In other words it has nothing to do with the Israel/Palestine conflict or the USA operations around the Gulf/Pakistan.



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  • AristilliusAristillius Member Posts: 873
    Yeah, it might not be a deciding factor for these two guys, rather the horrible war they have experienced in the Caucasus... However, the israel/palestine conflict IMHO is a catalyst for islamic extremists to view the US as an enemy of islam.
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