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Despised from Candlekeep to the Final Battle

LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
Has anybody ever done this, or attempted it? Constantly hunted by high level Flaming Fist mercenaries, the usual quest dangers, bounty hunters, and perhaps most thwarting of all: judgmental shop keepers!

You can't keep anybody of good alignment in the party for too long. Although it's usually quite easy to get rich fast, the outrageous vender costs would be a struggle.

I think I will try, but first some rules:

1. Your reputation must always be Despised. Which means it can never exceed 4 (EDIT: it's 5)
2. Set difficulty to medium.
3. No reboots!
4. Complete the entire game.

lol
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  • WanderonWanderon Member Posts: 1,418
    Good luck with this - it's perhaps the most challenging option to play!
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
    I remember one time, right after I killed Drizz't I went into Nashkel and ALL of the soldiers attacked me! I had to up my rep in Beregost before they would let me back into Nashkel. lol This wont be impossible, but it's improbable.
  • LemernisLemernis Member, Moderator Posts: 4,318
    Lol, why not play it with SCS installed while you're at it! I wonder what that mod's Flaming Fist Wizards are like.
  • LuigirulesLuigirules Member Posts: 419
    I did something similar to this, but I didn't let my rep get low until after the mines, and I would boost it when I wanted to buy stuff. Largely, though, after chapter 5 I've left it at 1 and haven't touched it.

    It's a lot of fun! Although you get a bit annoyed that the Flaming Fist guards only give 15 xp.
  • WolkWolk Member Posts: 279
    If you want a small boost before buying stuff, just drop viconia, buying at rep=3 is a lot better then at rep=1
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
    I cant wait to try it, I have a plan. Im going to murder Elminster with traps right off the start, just me and montoron. That should bring me close to level 6 thief. Then im switching to mage. i'll add vikky, dorn, and kagain. Then drop drizzt. Brining my mage levels up a few. Then shar-teel and have her multiclass to thief.

    Ultimately, I want THREE thieves with 100% traps. As soon as a spawn on a map im gonna set traps, then lure the flaming farts into them!!

    Oh, this is gonna be fun. :)
  • EdwinEdwin Member Posts: 480
    In addition you must fight empty handed, wearing only cursed items.

    Now you got a game.
  • WanderonWanderon Member Posts: 1,418
    and tie one hand behind your back and put a mitten on the other one...
  • MilesBeyondMilesBeyond Member Posts: 324
    I've done it, partially. I didn't go Despised the entire game but instead let it happen naturally as an evil party and was probably there by around chapter 2. Fortunately, out-of-town stuff like the Beregost Temple, High Hedge and Ulgoth's Beard provide plenty of refuge. I can't remember if the Nashkel Carnival and FAI do as well.

    Beregost you can mostly avoid after your first trip through (it's difficult to get Despised before reaching there, unless you go to FAI first, which wouldn't really make sense in this context). Nashkel's guards are simple enough and the bounty hunters don't really pose that much of a threat.

    I personally find that by the time you reach Ch 5, the Flaming Fist aren't really a threat anymore, so Baldur's Gate isn't too problematic. Just be careful with your Skull Traps and Fireballs as aggroing too many civilians can make life there a real pain. Also make sure to take advantage of the sewers if the FF numbers are starting to whittle you down.


    Prices are annoying, but you'll have more than enough gold soon anyway, so no big deal.
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903

    I've done it, partially. I didn't go Despised the entire game but instead let it happen naturally as an evil party and was probably there by around chapter 2. Fortunately, out-of-town stuff like the Beregost Temple, High Hedge and Ulgoth's Beard provide plenty of refuge. I can't remember if the Nashkel Carnival and FAI do as well.

    Beregost you can mostly avoid after your first trip through (it's difficult to get Despised before reaching there, unless you go to FAI first, which wouldn't really make sense in this context). Nashkel's guards are simple enough and the bounty hunters don't really pose that much of a threat.

    I personally find that by the time you reach Ch 5, the Flaming Fist aren't really a threat anymore, so Baldur's Gate isn't too problematic. Just be careful with your Skull Traps and Fireballs as aggroing too many civilians can make life there a real pain. Also make sure to take advantage of the sewers if the FF numbers are starting to whittle you down.


    Prices are annoying, but you'll have more than enough gold soon anyway, so no big deal.


    Sounds good, but I plan on hunting THEM instead. I want to set two traps in an area, then two more past that area, and then finally--you guessed it--2 more after that. The hard part will be avoiding the Hold spells when I lure them into the killzone. I need to get that necklace in Ulgoth's Beard ASAP, and a ring of Freedom. Spider's Bane + Cheetah Boots + Dorn should make for a nice rabbit.

    I know, I know, I'm playing on "player information" and forsaking the spirit of role playing. I feel ya! So how about this...Bhaal is SO PLEASED with my progress that he is showing me where to find items of power through visions. Like where to find Spider's Bane, that awesome UG necklace, etc..

    Hey, he's holding auditions for the next Lord of Murder? I don't recall Sarevok killing Elminster and Drizz't, so that makes me the fovorite son!!

    Muahahahah
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
    And oh yeah I'm gonna be depised by everybody (guard slaughter) in Candlekeep, and I might even murder Imoen! :( I hate myself already.
  • SpaceInvaderSpaceInvader Member Posts: 2,125
    Challenge accepted.
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    I'd say it is going to be pretty near impossible. From the header this means a reputation of 2 or lower at level 1. No town visits at all. No purchasing from the merchants. KOS by every flaming fist in the game (and usually multiples at a time). Bounty Hunters at every turn. I am not believing that it Can't be done, but just that it will be quite the challenge.
  • FubbyFubby Member Posts: 189
    One of you should do a youtube series on it! I would definitely watch :D
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903

    I'd say it is going to be pretty near impossible. From the header this means a reputation of 2 or lower at level 1. No town visits at all. No purchasing from the merchants. KOS by every flaming fist in the game (and usually multiples at a time). Bounty Hunters at every turn. I am not believing that it Can't be done, but just that it will be quite the challenge.

    It's not quite as bad as that. "Despised" is a 5 rep or lower. A 5 rep means you pay 40% more for everything, have a -3 reaction adjustment, and a 10% chance of being hunted down by some Flaming Fist mercs everytime you enter a new zone, towns included. I didn't die but I might start over because I chose the wrong missle weapon proficiency by mistake. So far I gained about 1800xp by murdering reaver, guards, and some rich people and a couple of priests. Traps are just devastating, a real game changer from the original version and perhaps the main reason why this is even possible.

    I bribed..a hum.."donated" the priest some gold to bring it up to a 5 before I left the keep. Of course, it's going to dip lower quite often. But if I can maintain a 5, it's not impossible. It's just that sooner or later, I'm going to be overwhelmed by FF mercs, it's kind of cool having to be constantly aware of that threat, kind of a breath of fresh air actually.

  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
    SO far SO...evil? I recruited everybody, and then killed Drizz't. My main is almost level 6, when I get there I will kill Elminster solo and get to level 5 mage.
  • bill_zagoudisbill_zagoudis Member Posts: 207
    sorry to break it out to you pal but here there are people playing since 1999 and they can solo the game with difficulty enhancing mods at insane with no reload,rep is nothing really...
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903

    sorry to break it out to you pal but here there are people playing since 1999 and they can solo the game with difficulty enhancing mods at insane with no reload,rep is nothing really...

    lol wow that's hard news to take, I better call my mommy!

  • KolonKuKolonKu Member Posts: 87

    sorry to break it out to you pal but here there are people playing since 1999 and they can solo the game with difficulty enhancing mods at insane with no reload,rep is nothing really...

    Holy man, is that so? I better go back to the rock I was living under.

  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
    edited April 2013
    ANYways...after murdering Drizz't I laid my trap for the "old man", then I kicked everybody out of the party and switched to the mage class. Bhaal was most pleased with the result, I went from level 1 to level 5 by throwing a single dart. My reputation has never gone above 5, it's usually 4. I had one encounter with the FF mercs at low level and they got Monty, but we went back for his corpse because he is the locks-guy. ;)

    I've eliminated all of the Amnish soldiers in Nashkel, and my party is strong enough to handle the next FF ambush. I have something nasty prepared for them when they do. hehehe

    EDIT: Some harper spell slinger nearly killed me TWICE near the entrance of BG. I new being evil would bring out some new encounters, and that was a really cool one. lol
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  • Aasimar069Aasimar069 Member Posts: 803
    How many traps on the ground are required to kill Elmister ?
  • KRKKRK Member Posts: 21
    maxed possible amount which is 5 i if remember correcly.
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    For what, level 30+ character (I am not looking it up), pretty weak. Ironic strategy for an evil Bhaalspawn.
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
    Interesting turn of events, the "old man" was murdered, but he pulled a Gandolf 2.0 (robes are still red however) and is waiting for me outside of Thunderhammer's smithy! Now when I shop, I have to cast invisibility to get in and out, because I don't want Elminster going anywhere until I hit level 7. When that happens, I can set another trap for him, and maybe kill him twice!!

    Also, I killed a mob of Flaming Fisters just outside the Friendly Arm, it was a good fight because I was caught by surprise. Ghost armor and the wand of paralyzation saved my bacon, big time. I wiped them out but spared the gate guards for the sake of doing business with the gnomes.

    BTW, I killed the old man with 7 special traps that only bounty hunters can set. 7 is the max, but I suppose 7 regular traps would be enough to kill him.
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
    Yup. I completed the mines then 86'd Elminster outside the smithy. If memory serves, I'll be able to kill him 2 more times for a grand total of 104,000 xp. lol
  • DreadKhanDreadKhan Member Posts: 3,857
    ...bgee is not short of xp, are you playing no cap?
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
    DreadKhan said:

    ...bgee is not short of xp, are you playing no cap?

    no

  • MilesBeyondMilesBeyond Member Posts: 324
    Lateralus said:

    And oh yeah I'm gonna be depised by everybody (guard slaughter) in Candlekeep, and I might even murder Imoen! :( I hate myself already.

    Is this possible? I didn't realize it could be done with aggro'ing Gorion

  • EudaemoniumEudaemonium Member Posts: 3,199
    Imoen follows you a short way. You could probably get her out of range. Then out slips the knife.
  • MordeusMordeus Member Posts: 460
    I can confirm that you can kill Imoen by luring her far away from Gorion. However after killing her, if you enter Gorion's line of sight he will instantly kill you.
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