Silence 15' spell

BelgarathMTH

Has anyone else noticed that Silence 15' has gotten an upgrade? It now comes with a minus 6 penalty to save, making it extremely hard to save against. I think that's fantastic.

When did they change it? Was it with v. 2014? I didn't catch the change when I was last playing on v. 2013.

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CamDawg

It's always had a -5 penalty on the save.

lunar

Yes I clearly remember it always had that massive -5 to save, (in PnP there is no save at all, but the effct is stationary to the area) that is written in the description too. Grease has +3 bonus to save while mage hold person has -1 to saves, these are the undocumented save adjustments I remember from the top of my head.

CaptRory

@lunar That's why I like to layer multiple effects. X might fail, but with X, Y, and Z they're going to fail a save somewhere!

ZanathKariashi

still not super useful, as most arcane caster's have a vocalize memorized (at least in BG2) (which can be cast while silenced) (it's part of why I stopped using it all together when almost every mage you come across counters it by just casting vocalize, which lasts long enough for them to empty their most dangerous spells anyway (and liches and the like are immune), though against very low level wizards or divine caster's it can be useful (though divine casters are MUCH less dangerous and just more annoying unless very high level).

bbear

mages usually carry has 1 vocalize and you can try silence them more than once. Also, the spell doesnt trigger red hostile circle, so you can cast it many times until it stick.

ShadowTiger

Silence is good against 2 or more casters since there is a higher chance of it hitting. Against a single caster use miscast magic, hold person, or web. In BG2 you need Greater Malison if you want to hit enemies with spells, their saving throws almost never fail.

FinneousPJ

bbear said:

mages usually carry has 1 vocalize and you can try silence them more than once. Also, the spell doesnt trigger red hostile circle, so you can cast it many times until it stick.

Yeah, you can cast it from outside their line of view. For example getting back from Nashkel Mines, stop in front of the store to cast Silence near the Inn entrance. You'll see Nimbul get silenced and then you can chunk him safely! Works with most encounters in the game if you want to be cheap