the most effective+easy to play party of 4 created multiplayer for the whole game bg1totscbg2tob
zur312
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the most effective+easy to play party of 3-4 created in multiplayer for play from the start to the end bg1+totsc+bg2+tob
why?
Because there are people that want to play the game effectively and there are all these threads what party to create.(newbies)
Other reason is testing new characters for example monk or wizard slayer or avenger when you have really strong 3-4 characters you can add anything to the mix for testing.
i was thinking about this
hum ranger2/cleric 2x with flails
dwarf fighter/thief 2x long swords
hum fighter2/mage darts
new team
ranger/cleric half-elf 2x with flails
dwarf fighter/thief 2x long swords/katanas
hum fighter2/mage darts OR edwin OR wild mage OR elf conjurer 19 dex 16 conc 18 int decent str wis rest charisma
2 level fighters equals later on grandmastery in favorite weapon
no multiclassing for mage and cleric for faster leveling
dwarf for tanking thief
darts = 3 apr so pretty fast for a mage
we can extend this thread
npc for bg1 3-4 man party
npc for bg2 3-4 man party
why?
Because there are people that want to play the game effectively and there are all these threads what party to create.(newbies)
Other reason is testing new characters for example monk or wizard slayer or avenger when you have really strong 3-4 characters you can add anything to the mix for testing.
i was thinking about this
hum ranger2/cleric 2x with flails
dwarf fighter/thief 2x long swords
hum fighter2/mage darts
new team
ranger/cleric half-elf 2x with flails
dwarf fighter/thief 2x long swords/katanas
hum fighter2/mage darts OR edwin OR wild mage OR elf conjurer 19 dex 16 conc 18 int decent str wis rest charisma
2 level fighters equals later on grandmastery in favorite weapon
no multiclassing for mage and cleric for faster leveling
dwarf for tanking thief
darts = 3 apr so pretty fast for a mage
we can extend this thread
npc for bg1 3-4 man party
npc for bg2 3-4 man party
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I'm not really a big fan of multiclassing, because the levels rise slowly, so I'd suggest this:
Main Tank- warrior profession. as pure fighters get a bit boring on high levels, I'd suggest a paladin- or better- a Blackguard. (depends on the alignment of the party). just don't choose the paladin that can't cast divine spells.
Healer and secondary tank - cleric. With high strength to be able to wear full plate and do some melee damage. alternatively a dual-classed Ranger->Cleric around level 5-6
Mage - this is simple. a mage. alternatively, a specialist. (good combo is a Conjurer, who can't cast divination spells and pair him with Priest of Helm, who can cast true sight) You can't go wrong here.
Thief - necessary. this is the only char I would multiclass for greater power as a Thief/Mage. alternatively - a Half-orc Fighter/Thief for more melee power and huge backstabs. depends on what the 4th member likes to play more.
choose 3 NPCs based on what your main is:
BG1 - Dorn+Viconia+Edwin+Imoen/Safana
BG2 - Dorn/Korgan+Edwin+Viconia+Imoen/Jan Jansen.
thiefs are pretty bad pure this half-orc fighter/thief is kind of like my dwarf figther/thief but +1 str
ranger5/cleric is really hard for new players in bg1
it is a shame that paladins don't get spells in bg1 exp limit? or 1 spell level 1 that is not cool at all
my team was a bit different with 2 duals but they were low duals that will gain power witih bg1 exp limit and later like 5 stars mage and cleric with druidic spells bg1
dorn is probably good with posion and other things so OK i agree
edwin is op so yeah edwin
but viconia is still a weak character with low hp
jaheira with throwing daggers + specialization could throw 3apr and she can tank more than viconia
there are 2 good thiefes montaron and coran that could do thief job better than imoen or safana because of part fighter class
bg2
korgan and edwin are easy characters and i agree but
viconia is pure cleric and she is terribly weak in melee
i think anomen or jaheira should be in this place for their half fighter class as semi-tanks
not much to say on thiefs coz there are non in bg2 beside these (nalia is a clone like why? why another thiefx/mage????)
I suggested a party composition that will not be a big challenge and will be fun to play. if you wanted raw power to slice thru the game, I suppose you can go 1 Blackguard +3x Berserker/Fighter and dual them to Mage,Cleric/Thief on levels 6-7. (alternatively F/T multiclass) But that can get very boring...
< sarcasm >I suppose, that Jaheira would have no problems being in a party with Montaron and Edwin. or alternatively with Korgan in BG2. < / sarcasm>
Play with wahtever you want. It's just a game.
dual on level 7 is not easy in bg1
Dualing in itself isn't exactly a newbie thing to do because you need to know the when, the what for stats/class and how to bridge the downtime. Alignment mixing is also not good if you don't know what you're doing because NPCs might leave at the worst possible time or break out into fights. So, "easy" for a new player: full party, NPCs of own alignment/neutral, balanced classes, talking to everyone in every house. It has nothing to do with having an "OP 4 member party".
"good party" not op imba party with dualing kensais and wizard slayer/thiefs or something
just very well rounded party of 3-4 that you can play and add anything for fun
Then I said - OK, go munchkin and dual your characters and you tell me you wanted something for newbies (which you aren't). You won't take NPCs for a multiplayer and even if you were playing a multiplayer party with newbies, you are more than capable to help them in building their characters.
What do you want from us then? Do that job for you?
Make up your mind, or don't ask for opinions. You will get some that you might not like. That's life.
2. i just said that dualing on level 5, 6 or 7 was just not for newbies because it is like a reset button on character (no skills no spells etc.)
3. In my opinion your npc was just not "easy to play"
the only easier option would be to get full party of 6.
maybe i did not clarifiy that
I'd replace the dual class ranger2/cleric with a straight multiclass ranger/cleric. Advantages are:
- better thaco
- more attacks/round (once you reach high levels)
- access to druid spells (particularly ironskins!)
- access to fighter high level abilities
- still plenty of healing
Dwarf fighter/thief is a good choice. It's better than half orc because of the saving throw bonuses. I wouldn't go for long swords tho simply because there aren't really any good ones in BG2. Katanas are pretty decent plus a short sword or scimitar for offhand. Staff for backstabbing. You'll have more than enough weapon proficiency choices.
A sorceror is much better than a fighter2/mage. A mage is never going to be a good source of physical damage. Let him be your magical powerhouse. By not dual classing you aren't forced to take a vanilla mage (who have many fewer spells than specialists or sorcerors).
i was thinking about dualed and multiclassed ranger/cleric
and i think dualed level up so much faster + grandmastery giving him in the long run only 0,5 apr lower
that multi ins't really better option
and ranger2/cleric still gets all druidic spells i checked
the fighter hla's is probably the best thing he will miss out of these
or this is an option dualed or multiclassed ranger/cleric
but
sorc is cool but i adress this tutorial for newbies and that is sorc problem once you choose you can't go back with spells so it is not newbie friendly really but that is the point
you could always take edwin
Old team version 1.1
hum ranger2/cleric 2x with flails OR ranger/cleric half-elf
dwarf fighter/thief 2x long swords/katanas
hum fighter2/mage darts OR edwin OR wild mage OR elf conjurer 19 dex 16 conc 18 int decent str wis rest charisma
reading all the spells when you are newbie can help but not really
unless someone would put list "spells for newbies" but that(sorc) substracts some fun of mages with large ammount of different spells
When you want to write a successful tutorial, you can basically do two things :
a) put together strategies, collect tips and tricks and explain them in to your desired demographic (eg - new players) in a wall of text trying to be informative, but terse. For example look at the announcement post from @Winthal.
b) engulf it all in a story which serves as a background and explain the strategies you want to share in the process. Also involves a lot of information, but can be eased by the story or the characters. @KidCarnival had one recently.
You don't ask the community for an opinion and then try to shoot the opinions of others down.
That is called "an Argument". Or, if it escalates "an unnecessary Flame War".
In my Black Pits run, I frankly got distracted a bit echem by the characters (all "played" by other forum posters), but I tried to explain why I do certain things (i.e. weapon choices) and the general challenge of a given fight (i.e. what spells will be useful, which enemy is the most dangerous). Of course I had to create a party and decide which 6 PCs it would be, with no way to cover ALL possible classes and combinations. My strategies can't be useful for every build/combination of builds. So I kept it somewhat general and said "send your melee/tank against target x" instead of insisting people should use a paladin and a berzerker as frontliners because that happened to be mine. It would still generally be the same approach with a barbarian and a ranger or whatever people use for melee. I don't think I'm particularly good at writing tutorials or walkthroughs because I often skip over things I assume people already know (i.e. why explain my choice of Sleep as the mage's first memorized spell if literally everyone picks Sleep, too?). It's not suited for "new players" and I know that. So I'm not claiming it is a tutorial for new players, I just post in General and call it a documented playthrough.
You keep deconstructing every suggestion others make and explain why your, and only your, idea is still better. That doesn't help new players. If you already have an answer to your own question of the ideal 4 member party, why discuss it here? You don't seem to be interested in what parties other people would use.
but this thread is great for newbies and has a well written things
http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/6656/best-of-racesclasses/p1
What possible NPCs to take if the reader is not well-experienced with them and some tips and samples on top of it.
You can name it "4-char party for complete idiots" (joking)
I personally like to play with fewer ppl in a party, with 4 being the optimal setup. You can spend more time on carefully playing their respective classes, plotting strategies and the gameplay does not succumb to "why even cast spells, when everyone can just be bolted down by slings and bows in mere few rounds" (as when playing with 6chars)
I've been experimenting with this for the past day and it seems like it would work insanely well at the end of each game (I've only been transferring the character to the next game, setting the xp for your base start xp in SoA and ToB). I can understand now why wizard slayers are so underpowered as a standalone class. Because you can start as wizard slayer, get whatever you want your magic resist to be, grab use any item when you dual to thief which cancels the limitation on wizard slayers to not use magic items. -Igor Alexandre- puts it very well in his post (found here: http://www.shsforums.net/topic/32783-cheapest-dual-ever/):
"I put all my stars on 2 handed weapon. Grandmastery. Then, when I got the Use any item ability, I started wielding Carsomyr. That's 50% MR, plus 10% from ring of Gaxx.... that's already 108% Magic resistance, 5 stars on Carsomyr, thief skills, and now I can also wear strength belts and whatever else I want. This guy is just ridiculously powerful. I'm beginning ToB right now with him, having just finished SoA. I think he's going to wreak havoc."
Human... Berserker 7 ----> Cleric (just don't forget to use weapons useable with cleric= Hammer, flail, etc.)
Human... Kensai 13 ----> Mage (Can't go wrong here. Scimitars, or preferable kantanas for not newbies)
Human... WizardSlayer 11 ----> Thief (Dual wield long swords or two handed swords)
Human... Swashbuckler 10 ----> Mage (whatever you think is the best. Scimitars, long swords and dual wield)
The party of 3 fighters, that are going to slash anything in their way. There is always at least one useable party member at high level.
You get through the game really fast
Only thing you really need is potions
Swashbuckler for traps and dualed wizard slayer for backstabs.
You have to decide who have what. (Katana, scimitar, long sword, 2 handed swords) and decide what you want to get for your berserker (hammer, flail, morning star, club... Whatever
the only "good" bonus a ranger gets, is automatical 2 pips in the dual wielding style.