In a thread on this forum last week I introduced a Randomized NPC Recruit Roll (to be used in a one-off type game challenge for some variety).
Essentially to recruit an NPC, your PC must make a roll on 1D20. The roll is modified by a Charisma bonus as well as comparative alignments. Failing the roll means that the NPC cannot join the party in this particular game. It leads to a lively challenge game, and it is useful to have good Charisma.
Everyone here (or at least the first page) seems to have forgotten CHA is essential for Paladins and Clerics when turning undead, and Sorcerers for their spells.
Everyone here (or at least the first page) seems to have forgotten CHA is essential for Paladins and Clerics when turning undead, and Sorcerers for their spells.
CHA has no effect on sorcerer spellcasting (nor does any other stat) or Turn Undead.
Everyone here (or at least the first page) seems to have forgotten CHA is essential for Paladins and Clerics when turning undead, and Sorcerers for their spells.
In 3e perhaps. In 2nd edition ADnD rules and Bg rules, a 3 cha cleric has the same turn undead ability as a 25 cha one (you could use the 'ugly stick' glitch to reach 25 cha)
Fun stuff:25 cha is considered to be so overwhelmingly, unnaturaly beautiful that, according to PnP rules, seeing one being could result in blindness. If that being also undresses infront of you, you must save vs sexy or die of heart-stop. True story. :-D
Fun stuff:25 cha is considered to be so overwhelmingly, unnaturaly beautiful that, according to PnP rules, seeing one being could result in blindness. If that being also undresses infront of you, you must save vs sexy or die of heart-stop. True story. :-D
And if a charisma 3 character undresses in front of you it's the same effect as a horror spell with no save?
Fun stuff:25 cha is considered to be so overwhelmingly, unnaturaly beautiful that, according to PnP rules, seeing one being could result in blindness. If that being also undresses infront of you, you must save vs sexy or die of heart-stop. True story. :-D
And if a charisma 3 character undresses in front of you it's the same effect as a horror spell with no save?
Ha! Don't know about 3 CHA, but you can houserule it so that seeing a 1 CHA being undress results in horror and nauseua for 1 turn without a save, and save vs spells or your character becomes impotent/sexophobic/asexual until a Restoration spell is cast. Oo, that would be a nasty thing to do to players! :-D
Fun stuff:25 cha is considered to be so overwhelmingly, unnaturaly beautiful that, according to PnP rules, seeing one being could result in blindness. If that being also undresses infront of you, you must save vs sexy or die of heart-stop. True story. :-D
And if a charisma 3 character undresses in front of you it's the same effect as a horror spell with no save?
LMAO, that is too funny.
I always thought the druid spell Nature's Beauty should be a permanent effect if your char were to have 25 charisma. Isn't 25 the max even for gods? So 25 would be considered the most beautiful thing you have ever seen and you'd have to roll for save or be permanently blinded just by looking upon that char. That might pose a problem for having a party though, or even simply walking through town. You'd need a special magically enchanted bag to wear over your head so you don't accidentally explode poor bystander's eyes.
@Samus - I always saw it as a combination. 18 charisma being the typical goodlooking and popular PC. You could go lower, lets say 12 charisma - this way I would play it so either my character is a charming joker but not on the pretty side (or he smells pretty bad), or a good looker but on the nervous, shy, twitchy side.
@Samus - I always saw it as a combination. 18 charisma being the typical goodlooking and popular PC. You could go lower, lets say 12 charisma - this way I would play it so either my character is a charming joker but not on the pretty side (or he smells pretty bad), or a good looker but on the nervous, shy, twitchy side.
I guess it's however you play it.
I agree with that. It's a combination of both. In skills/options, CHA was divided into two subabilities appearance and leadership. Your score is multiplied by two and divided between them whatever you like, however they can be only 4 points different from each other at most. (No subability can be lower than 3 or higher than 18, except fighters and exceptional strength-muscle and stamina subabilities)
So you can interpret cha 13 as an appearance of 9 and leadership of 17, that character is somewhat homely and not good to look at. But he is an excellent leader, a smooth talker, great inspiration etc. Famous historical leaders are often at this category, they are not the prettiest or sexiest bunch but they sure do have an aura of command, charm and confidence that makes them succesful and famous. The reverse is, a cha of 13 with 17 appearance and 9 leadership. This character is very georgous and sexy, famous for his or her looks, most people will find him or her attractive. But this person is not so very inspiring or commanding. Many supermodels are of this category, you will find them attractive and all but you won't follow them to do battle or let them command you etc. A cha of 17-18 means the character is both attractive and confident-leader. Most paladins-charming prince-warrior princess type characters are like this. They are besutiful and confident, sexy and charming, they are near perfect beings, but then again a score of 17 or 18 is mesnt to be like that.
In game terms, appearance subability is used for initial reactions of npcs. A very beautiful character will receive positive reactions from most anyone he meets, people do tend to form their initial reactions according to superficial looks, in about three seconds. Characters with good apperance scores will be met by cheesy pick up lines and people will be more helpful to them. 'Oh, honey, let me help you carry that' 'hey handsome, how're ya doin?' 'Oh this? for you, a special discount price, we can work something out, 'Can I..buy you a drink?' 'Ooh, did it hurt when you fell from Heaven?' The reverse, low appearance and high leadership, this character won't be wooed and liked by most upon first contact, but once he makes his confidence, natural charm and skills appearent, people will like him and follow him. 'When I first saw my boss, I thought he looked like the ugliest thing with that moustache. I was hard pressed not to laugh. Now that I've come to know him, I admire his skills, confidence and how he treats his workers, and he is a great inspiration for me. I will do whatever he commands, happily!'
Ofcourse, BG:ee only uses reaction rolls, which are tied directly to appearance subability. Leadership scores tend to determine your number of henchmen and their loyalty in PnP.
Well, I usually try to get a roll where I can have my lowest stats be atleast 10 to prevent any penalties...
But for charisma, I remember reading somewhere that high charisma also helps prevents NPCs morale failures so they don't go panic or berserk.
Not sure if that is true in BG:EE. I've had a character with 20 chr. and that blasted duo Khalid ran off all the time. After I had his wife killed off and he was making moves on Branwin he stayed around longer.
After I had his wife killed off and he was making moves on Branwin he stayed around longer.
LOL. Khalid is quite the ladies' man. Never happened to me, but I actually never played with him, except for the first few runs ~ 14 years ago, when I did not know the game.
Not sure if that is true in BG:EE. I've had a character with 20 chr. and that blasted duo Khalid ran off all the time. After I had his wife killed off and he was making moves on Branwin he stayed around longer.
Well, Khalid feels to be a special case... Usually anything hits him once or twice and he engages Berserk mode and just starts hitting everything he can.
Fun stuff:25 cha is considered to be so overwhelmingly, unnaturaly beautiful that, according to PnP rules, seeing one being could result in blindness. If that being also undresses infront of you, you must save vs sexy or die of heart-stop. True story. :-D
And if a charisma 3 character undresses in front of you it's the same effect as a horror spell with no save?
Ha! Don't know about 3 CHA, but you can houserule it so that seeing a 1 CHA being undress results in horror and nauseua for 1 turn without a save, and save vs spells or your character becomes impotent/sexophobic/asexual until a Restoration spell is cast. Oo, that would be a nasty thing to do to players! :-D
I will never let another restoration spell be cast on me ever again. I quite like being asexual, but that is just who I am. Or I could go find a cha 1 to return to my normal self
Reactions are always favorable when he chance of it being good or bad not just hostile. I figure most stats are nominal except dex, your primary and some con. So you may as well just make the cha high. Lol
My jester runs at 18 dex int wis 19 cha and 10 str 11 con (I found the cha an con books already btw). I always get favorable reactions
If you're looking for a real "dump-stat" look no further than INT. At least everything else in the game has fringe benefits, but in Baldur's Gate INT of 3 is fine for everyone other than wizard. That's the real bottle-neck (Not that I want it messed with much mind you...)
I think the opinions differ a bit more on that. If you are a warrior or thief class, wisdom and intelligence are basically the same for you, as the only way they influence your class is lore value, and both stats give the same there. Still some say it's better to have some lore if you can spare the points to be able to identify minor stuff. (It IS annoying when you need an Identify spell for every stack of +1 arrows...)
And now that I think of it, and reading the posts about Rasaad's quest: if I remember well, intelligence is actually considered at some points in the BG games, where higher intelligence gives you more answer options. So with that, INT is actually more important than WIS.
And now that I think of it, and reading the posts about Rasaad's quest: if I remember well, intelligence is actually considered at some points in the BG games, where higher intelligence gives you more answer options.
Or fewer, in the case of a riddle. (Although multiple-choice riddles aren't exactly hard.)
Fun stuff:25 cha is considered to be so overwhelmingly, unnaturaly beautiful that, according to PnP rules, seeing one being could result in blindness. If that being also undresses infront of you, you must save vs sexy or die of heart-stop. True story. :-D
Is that why all of those teenage boys went blind in the 80s when Pam started doing nude photos?
Not sure if that is true in BG:EE. I've had a character with 20 chr. and that blasted duo Khalid ran off all the time. After I had his wife killed off and he was making moves on Branwin he stayed around longer.
Well, Khalid feels to be a special case... Usually anything hits him once or twice and he engages Berserk mode and just starts hitting everything he can.
Isn't it Minsc that goes berserk if he's injured?
I've only ever had Khalid freak out when injured (Better part of valor!).
Sad to say, but he's probably the best Good aligned NPC tank in vanilla.
Not sure if that is true in BG:EE. I've had a character with 20 chr. and that blasted duo Khalid ran off all the time. After I had his wife killed off and he was making moves on Branwin he stayed around longer.
Well, Khalid feels to be a special case... Usually anything hits him once or twice and he engages Berserk mode and just starts hitting everything he can.
Isn't it Minsc that goes berserk if he's injured?
I've only ever had Khalid freak out when injured (Better part of valor!).
Sad to say, but he's probably the best Good aligned NPC tank in vanilla.
Morale failure either causes berserk or panic on an npc. Khalid is more prone to morale failure than most npcs. Minsc can suffer a morale failure too, and can either flee or go berserk:it is not the same as his special berserk ability, though, he just randomly attacks everyone. In BG2, if her new witch Aerie dies he automaticaly goes berserk. When Minsc is berserked, he keeps fighting the first enemy, but if it is killed he loses control, switches to the nearest target, be it friend, foe or neutral.
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He's a lousy meal now...
Essentially to recruit an NPC, your PC must make a roll on 1D20. The roll is modified by a Charisma bonus as well as comparative alignments. Failing the roll means that the NPC cannot join the party in this particular game. It leads to a lively challenge game, and it is useful to have good Charisma.
Edit: looks like @Eudaemonium beat me to it
Fun stuff:25 cha is considered to be so overwhelmingly, unnaturaly beautiful that, according to PnP rules, seeing one being could result in blindness. If that being also undresses infront of you, you must save vs sexy or die of heart-stop. True story. :-D
I always thought the druid spell Nature's Beauty should be a permanent effect if your char were to have 25 charisma. Isn't 25 the max even for gods? So 25 would be considered the most beautiful thing you have ever seen and you'd have to roll for save or be permanently blinded just by looking upon that char. That might pose a problem for having a party though, or even simply walking through town. You'd need a special magically enchanted bag to wear over your head so you don't accidentally explode poor bystander's eyes.
I guess it's however you play it.
So you can interpret cha 13 as an appearance of 9 and leadership of 17, that character is somewhat homely and not good to look at. But he is an excellent leader, a smooth talker, great inspiration etc. Famous historical leaders are often at this category, they are not the prettiest or sexiest bunch but they sure do have an aura of command, charm and confidence that makes them succesful and famous. The reverse is, a cha of 13 with 17 appearance and 9 leadership. This character is very georgous and sexy, famous for his or her looks, most people will find him or her attractive. But this person is not so very inspiring or commanding. Many supermodels are of this category, you will find them attractive and all but you won't follow them to do battle or let them command you etc. A cha of 17-18 means the character is both attractive and confident-leader. Most paladins-charming prince-warrior princess type characters are like this. They are besutiful and confident, sexy and charming, they are near perfect beings, but then again a score of 17 or 18 is mesnt to be like that.
In game terms, appearance subability is used for initial reactions of npcs. A very beautiful character will receive positive reactions from most anyone he meets, people do tend to form their initial reactions according to superficial looks, in about three seconds. Characters with good apperance scores will be met by cheesy pick up lines and people will be more helpful to them. 'Oh, honey, let me help you carry that' 'hey handsome, how're ya doin?' 'Oh this? for you, a special discount price, we can work something out,
Ofcourse, BG:ee only uses reaction rolls, which are tied directly to appearance subability. Leadership scores tend to determine your number of henchmen and their loyalty in PnP.
Never happened to me, but I actually never played with him, except for the first few runs ~ 14 years ago, when I did not know the game.
My jester runs at 18 dex int wis 19 cha and 10 str 11 con (I found the cha an con books already btw). I always get favorable reactions
And now that I think of it, and reading the posts about Rasaad's quest: if I remember well, intelligence is actually considered at some points in the BG games, where higher intelligence gives you more answer options. So with that, INT is actually more important than WIS.
I've only ever had Khalid freak out when injured (Better part of valor!).
Sad to say, but he's probably the best Good aligned NPC tank in vanilla.