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What to do with Imoen?

Heya guys, it's my first playthrough of BG in so long I can't even remember the story. I do know, however, that canon Imoen gets dual-classed to a mage, and that a lot of people seem to like that. My question now is, would it be viable for me to do it where I am in the game? I'll give you a rough outline of where I am and hopefully I can get some good answers.

I have:

CHARNAME Wild Mage, level 6
Branwen level 6
Dorn level 6
Minsc level 5
Imoen at level 7 (or I can backtrack a bit and have her at 6 (almost 7)
Baeloth at 6

Is it worth dual-classing Imoen at this point and with my party? I also splurged on shadow armor for Imoen and stole Drizzt's scimitars for her. Am I correct in assuming I would never be able to use those in conjunction with her spells? Also, 7 levels is a long time to try to catch up to. I suppose I would have to go with unarmored + dagger of venom if I wanted to continue using her as a thief in the long run? Any advice? Am I smarter to backtrack to level 6 to dual class her even though it would waste a ton (almost 20,000) of xp?
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  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,642
    edited June 2013
    You could dual-class Imoen at level 7, but you wouldn't get her thief abilities back until pretty late in the game. And you wouldn't reach max level possible as a mage. If you backtrack her back to level 6, you can reach max level as a mage. It's up to you.

    She could use scimitars and still cast spells, but not the Shadow Armor. If you have the money you can buy the Robe of the Good Archmagi from High Hedge and equip it on Imoen. It's armor class 5, same as regular chain mail, but it costs around 30k gold.

    I just looked at your current party. If you dual Imoen, you'll have no thief for a long time. I don't know why you would want to dual her when you already have two arcane casters in the party.
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    I think I might have killed the guy at High Hedge. Chaotic Neutral + Wild Mage + High Prices = dead snotty mages. X=

    On the other hand, maybe if I did kill him I'll give myself the item in Shadowkeeper and just take away 30k gold.

    Anyways, thanks for the response, I'm certainly going to look into it more.
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,642
    I just edited my previous response. I added that last paragraph.
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    Thanks for the update. Mainly I just wanted to dual her so she could gain access to easy self-invisibility, knock, etc.
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    Also strength, luck, ghoul touch, etc.
  • SouthpawSouthpaw Member Posts: 2,026
    What to do with Imoen...

    Treat her to a nice dinner and buy her roses. Imoen loves roses.
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
    It might be better to keep her as a thief - you'll need that more than you'll need a third mage, especially once you hit Durlag's Tower or the later stages of the game...
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,642
    Southpaw said:

    What to do with Imoen...

    Treat her to a nice dinner and buy her roses. Imoen loves roses.

    Then shag her before you find out she's your sister?
  • SouthpawSouthpaw Member Posts: 2,026
    Awong124 said:

    Southpaw said:

    What to do with Imoen...

    Treat her to a nice dinner and buy her roses. Imoen loves roses.

    Then shag her before you find out she's your sister?
    HALF-sister :-)
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    Maybe shoulda posted in new player area for spoilers >_<
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    So, you guys think it would be better to keep her as thief then?
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,642
    rathlord said:

    Maybe shoulda posted in new player area for spoilers >_<</p>

    This entire forum has a spoiler warning in its title. It's called "General (Spoiler Warning!)".
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
    edited June 2013
    rathlord said:

    So, you guys think it would be better to keep her as thief then?

    That, or have Imoen replace Baeloth and recruit Safana to take her former position as thief. (Though at your current level, her skills are going to be a bit... messy.)
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    edited June 2013
    Awong124 said:

    rathlord said:

    Maybe shoulda posted in new player area for spoilers >_<</p>

    This entire forum has a spoiler warning in its title. It's called "General (Spoiler Warning!)".
    I know, that's why I said I shoulda posted in the other =P

    I don't think Imoen would replace Baeloth right with my team, though. He's spell damage, I would focus on Imoen having mage spells as utilities for her thief skills (invisibility, stat buffs, etc.)
  • DaelricDaelric Member Posts: 266
    I think Imoen is a level 7 mage at the start of BG2, so if it's continuity you like now is the time to dual her. I always dual her at 7.
  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    Imoen's a lvl 7 thief/lvl 8 mage at the start of Shadows of Amn.
  • LateralusLateralus Member Posts: 903
    rathlord said:

    Heya guys, it's my first playthrough of BG in so long I can't even remember the story. I do know, however, that canon Imoen gets dual-classed to a mage, and that a lot of people seem to like that. My question now is, would it be viable for me to do it where I am in the game? I'll give you a rough outline of where I am and hopefully I can get some good answers.

    I have:

    CHARNAME Wild Mage, level 6
    Branwen level 6
    Dorn level 6
    Minsc level 5
    Imoen at level 7 (or I can backtrack a bit and have her at 6 (almost 7)
    Baeloth at 6

    Is it worth dual-classing Imoen at this point and with my party? I also splurged on shadow armor for Imoen and stole Drizzt's scimitars for her. Am I correct in assuming I would never be able to use those in conjunction with her spells? Also, 7 levels is a long time to try to catch up to. I suppose I would have to go with unarmored + dagger of venom if I wanted to continue using her as a thief in the long run? Any advice? Am I smarter to backtrack to level 6 to dual class her even though it would waste a ton (almost 20,000) of xp?


    Every time i play, the first thing I do is escort imoen to the friendly arm inn, and leave her in safe keeping with khalid and jehera
  • DurenasDurenas Member Posts: 508
    rathlord said:

    I think I might have killed the guy at High Hedge. Chaotic Neutral + Wild Mage + High Prices = dead snotty mages. X=

    On the other hand, maybe if I did kill him I'll give myself the item in Shadowkeeper and just take away 30k gold.

    Anyways, thanks for the response, I'm certainly going to look into it more.

    Well if he's dead, he won't need all those magical items he was selling. In theory, that should all be yours now.
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    I don't think he drops all of his loot when he dies iirc =P
  • LemernisLemernis Member, Moderator Posts: 4,318
    I'd keep her as a Thief. But then again I typically do. She's a great Thief.
  • ZanathKariashiZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869
    @rathlord

    And....why would you dual to get that? Thieves have an at will invisibility that is actually superior to invisibility (especially combined with boots of speed that let you go stealth pretty much at will, even in small rooms), at will-true sight that is superior to true-sight, at will knock AND find/remove traps that are superior to knock and find traps (and give XP, unlike the spells) that actually removes the traps as well, several uses per day of I-WIN, HAHAHA, and a ridiculously high damage Hello there! attack.
  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    Yeah, you dual Imoen to boost he damage potential. Odds are she's already at the back of the group with bow and arrow, so why not throw a few magic missiles into the mix?

    Because it end up in a trip to Spellhold, that's why. But you really don't have any control over that, so @#$% it.
  • ZanathKariashiZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869
    Bah, since BG was SOOO gracious to buff BS to nigh gamebreaking levels it seems almost criminal to keep the non-swashbucklers in the back row (Swashys on the other hand DO make excellent archers since their damage bonus applies to ranged attacks, and they're worthless in melee without dual-speed weapons or until high levels when they can pick-up WWA).
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    Well you have to consider that I'm not really a power gamer in BG. This is the first time I've played this game since I was young, so I'm not going through with max efficiency. I was going to dual class Imoen for thief-y stuff because that's what made sense to me- things that work well with her primary class. I'm not sure why Hide in Shadows is beter than invisibility, but I'd sure like to hear. From the way it looks you can invisibility directly in front of enemies for multiple backstabs in hard encounters without wasting turns running around corners/out of line of sight. Also since I spread her thief skill points out considerably having knock to get those hard-to-pick chests is great.
  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    If you're more interested in role-playing than power gaming, definitely dual Imoen at level 7 thief. Unless Beamdog makes some big changes, Imoen will be a 7/8 thief/mage at the start of Baldur's Gate 2 no matter what you did in Baldur's Gate 1. (you find this out in the first two minutes of Shadows of Amn, so I'm not bothering to spoiler tag this.)
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    Ya, I'd heard that. I'm one of those people who (at first, at least) is a good mix. I play my characters realistically and try to stay in the spirit of their character, but I also like to have a functional, strong party.
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    Also as a sidenote, would I be completely daft to upgrade Dorn's weapon or is that a good idea? Seems like any 2h sword of +2ness would be better unless I'm misunderstanding Rancor.
  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    Yeah, upgrade Dorn's sword. Spider's Bane is a great choice, although by no means the only good one.

    As for Imoen, I'd dual-class her, but don't go into Durlag's Tower without a functioning rogue. There are just too many traps in there. The good news is that there's also about a billion potions of perception, so if you have a few to begin with you don't really have to have a very well made rogue (actually, just stock up on potions of perception, they're awesome). So I'd say drop Minsc temporarily and pick up Coran or Montaron to act as substitute thieves while you run the Tower (getting Imoen back up to 8th is gonna be hard without running it). It might be tricky to get Minsc caught up after that, but since he's not a caster it's not hugely important. Make sure he gets to 7th for that extra half attack and you're golden.
  • rathlordrathlord Member Posts: 171
    Spider Bane is exactly what I gave him =D Thanks for the good advice. Unfortunately now I'm kinda locked into a stupid position. I play Chaotic Neutral and my rep just from doing quests the way I normally would (to benefit myself or people who ingratiage themselves to me) has now gotten up to 19 and my evil characters want to leave. Now I can't get my reputation back down without doing something stupid and "gamey" to force it. I really don't want to kill anyone because that just feels wrong for my characters.
  • DaelricDaelric Member Posts: 266
    I left Imoen to die in the mines of Nashkel.
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