Question about high wisdom

karl_maulder

Although i belive BG added the bonus saves from a high wisdom score, BG2 didn't implement this rules. I'm ashamed to admit i have no idea if it's in BG:EE or not. But if it's not, is there a mod out there that fixes this?

Also i would like to know if there is a mod that add a higher damage vs large monster as in the PnP.

elminster

BG1 never implemented saving bonuses for wisdom. It said it in the manual for the game but it was never actually implemented. So no BGEE doesn't have them either.

elminster

Also its in the list of externalisation requests. So hopefully when things are resolved with Overhaul/Beamdog/Atari's contractional issues at some point they will open it up to be modded. http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/558/request-master-thread-of-externalization-requests/p1

SionIV

High wisdom gives you

1.) Additional divine spells for cleric / druid
2.) Improved Lore
3.) Improved chances with the spell "Wish"

lunar

Also some dialogue options check for wisdom too, like to persuade the Spectator beholder in Bg2 to look the other way while you check the chest he guards, you need min 13 wis IIRC. (Or strangely enough, if you have Jan he can find the solution for you! Jan is a strangely aware character, he sniffs out the hidden Rakshasas in Druid grove too!)

zur312

no ST from high wisdom it is not icewind dale 2

"but manual!"
manual is wrong

elminster

SionIV said:

3.) Improved chanses with the spell "Wish"

*chances

SionIV

zur312 said:

no ST from high wisdom it is not icewind dale 2

"but manual!"
manual is wrong

You get improved will saves in IWD2 for having high wisdom. Just used shadow keeper to boost my dwarfs wisdom from 19 to 25 and he went from 14 will saving throws to 17.

elminster said:

SionIV said:

3.) Improved chanses with the spell "Wish"

*chances

Thank you for correcting me


[Edited] : I read that wrong Zur312 sorry for that.

zur312

i know

Turin

SionIV said:

High wisdom gives you
3.) Improved chances with the spell "Wish"

Sort of on-topic: can someone explain how exactly this works?

I was using a guide I found online for solo-ing a sorcerer through SoA and ToB and it seemed to say that if you had 18 Wisdom you would always have the "recover hit points and spells as if rested" option whenever you cast Wish. But that's not how it actually seemed to work for me.

So is my game bugged or did I misread / get misinformed?

Is there a complete table of possible options and how likely you are to get them with different Wisdom levels?

SionIV

Turin said:

SionIV said:

High wisdom gives you
3.) Improved chances with the spell "Wish"

Sort of on-topic: can someone explain how exactly this works?

I was using a guide I found online for solo-ing a sorcerer through SoA and ToB and it seemed to say that if you had 18 Wisdom you would always have the "recover hit points and spells as if rested" option whenever you cast Wish. But that's not how it actually seemed to work for me.

So is my game bugged or did I misread / get misinformed?

Is there a complete table of possible options and how likely you are to get them with different Wisdom levels?

1.) Having 18 wisdom will always let you get a 'good' option from your wish. It doesn't mean you'll always get "Recover all spells" but it does mean you always get ATLEAST one good option to pick.

2.) We have done some testing with the wish and wisdom but nothing extensive enough to say if you get a better % by having 25 than 18. Most people say that 18 is the max because Simpsons has it in his walkthroughs, but he has had several faults in his walkthroughs before so unless someone with the code of the game can show with certainty that 18 is the max % you get, this will remain a mystery. But you should always have 18 wisdom atleast if you want to play around with Wish.

Turin

SionIV said:

1.) Having 18 wisdom will always let you get a 'good' option from your wish. It doesn't mean you'll always get "Recover all spells" but it does mean you always get ATLEAST one good option to pick.

I see. So wish-resting a sorcerer (in particular between the Melissan battles) is always a risky proposition. Good to know. Thanks for your detailed response.

SionIV

Turin said:

SionIV said:

1.) Having 18 wisdom will always let you get a 'good' option from your wish. It doesn't mean you'll always get "Recover all spells" but it does mean you always get ATLEAST one good option to pick.

I see. So wish-resting a sorcerer (in particular between the Melissan battles) is always a risky proposition. Good to know. Thanks for your detailed response.

You're welcome. And yes wish resting will always be risky, but this is one of the reasons that some players always memorize 2 of them. And unless you're playing solo SCS ascension it's mostly a luxuary to get refreshed spells from wish, you'll manage fine without it.

Wisp

SionIV said:

Turin said:

SionIV said:

High wisdom gives you
3.) Improved chances with the spell "Wish"

Sort of on-topic: can someone explain how exactly this works?

I was using a guide I found online for solo-ing a sorcerer through SoA and ToB and it seemed to say that if you had 18 Wisdom you would always have the "recover hit points and spells as if rested" option whenever you cast Wish. But that's not how it actually seemed to work for me.

So is my game bugged or did I misread / get misinformed?

Is there a complete table of possible options and how likely you are to get them with different Wisdom levels?

1.) Having 18 wisdom will always let you get a 'good' option from your wish. It doesn't mean you'll always get "Recover all spells" but it does mean you always get ATLEAST one good option to pick.

2.) We have done some testing with the wish and wisdom but nothing extensive enough to say if you get a better % by having 25 than 18. Most people say that 18 is the max because Simpsons has it in his walkthroughs, but he has had several faults in his walkthroughs before so unless someone with the code of the game can show with certainty that 18 is the max % you get, this will remain a mystery. But you should always have 18 wisdom atleast if you want to play around with Wish.

The inner workings of Wish are somewhat convoluted, but basically, as per WISH25.DLG, the best odds are from having WIS > 17. The other cutoffs are at 18 > WIS > 14, 15 > WIS > 9 and WIS < 10. I don't think you are ever guaranteed to get at least 1 beneficial option. but with WIS > 17, the odds are in your favour. Those interested in more can read about script action #348 and wish.2da on the IESDP.

SionIV

Wisp said:

SionIV said:

Turin said:

SionIV said:

High wisdom gives you
3.) Improved chances with the spell "Wish"

Sort of on-topic: can someone explain how exactly this works?

I was using a guide I found online for solo-ing a sorcerer through SoA and ToB and it seemed to say that if you had 18 Wisdom you would always have the "recover hit points and spells as if rested" option whenever you cast Wish. But that's not how it actually seemed to work for me.

So is my game bugged or did I misread / get misinformed?

Is there a complete table of possible options and how likely you are to get them with different Wisdom levels?

1.) Having 18 wisdom will always let you get a 'good' option from your wish. It doesn't mean you'll always get "Recover all spells" but it does mean you always get ATLEAST one good option to pick.

2.) We have done some testing with the wish and wisdom but nothing extensive enough to say if you get a better % by having 25 than 18. Most people say that 18 is the max because Simpsons has it in his walkthroughs, but he has had several faults in his walkthroughs before so unless someone with the code of the game can show with certainty that 18 is the max % you get, this will remain a mystery. But you should always have 18 wisdom atleast if you want to play around with Wish.

The inner workings of Wish are somewhat convoluted, but basically, as per WISH25.DLG, the best odds are from having WIS > 17. The other cutoffs are at 18 > WIS > 14, 15 > WIS > 9 and WIS < 10. I don't think you are ever guaranteed to get at least 1 beneficial option. but with WIS > 17, the odds are in your favour. Those interested in more can read about script action #348 and wish.2da on the IESDP.

If you have 18 wisdom or more you're always guaranteed to get one good option. This has been proven and during my own testing with around 300 wish castings with the stats from 18-25 wisdom i always got atleast one good option on every single cast. It's unsure how much 18-25 makes a difference.

[Edited] : Here is an interesting discussion we had about the wish spell some time ago. http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/17520/stats-and-wish-questions

ZanathKariashi

Technically, even in 2nd edition, Dex and wisdom are supposed to give you save bonuses vs certain spells/effects (basically all the same ones tagged as reflex or will in 3rd edition). They just aren't implemented currently (19+ wisdom is also supposed to start granting outright immunity to certain spells, high dex is supposed to reduce the thac0 penalty for dual-wielding (but can never result in a bonus), and 19+ int begins to make you progressively able to ignore illusion spells (1st at 19 up to 7th lvl at 25). High Con is also supposed to boost saves, but it requires 19+ and only works vs poison (not sure if this one is implemented or not...but I doubt it).

zur312

no additional bonuses are implemented from better stats
the only bonus ST are from shorty bonuses dwafs gnomes halflings with high conc

this is why iwd2 system is cool

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