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Suggestions for an evil party member....i'm short one.

Hello there,

Just got the BGEE working on my CPU...finally, would seem it didn't enjoy my graphics card on my laptop, but all sorted now. So I haven't played BB for ~10 years and never the expansion. But I have played IWD, IWD 2, HOW, TLM half a dozen times, so very exp with the combat aspect.

I have never played an evil party before and are doing so now for the first time, playing on the hardest difficulty and just begun. Also work full time, family ect, so in no rush to finish therefore plenty of time for you to respond to this thread.

So,

I find both Clerics and Thief's weak in combat, (i'm sure a lot of ppl will disagree and that's fine, I knew one guy who would have two Clerics and no Mages...so yeah..) so my character is a gnome, multiclassed Thief/cleric, the idea being I can now select 5 killing machines, though I seem to be short one in my plans....


I'm going with

Kagain Fighter
Dorn Fighter (ish)
Shar-teel Fighter.
?????
Me - Cleric / thief, Max'd - DEX, Con, Str and Wis (17 only being a gnome but will chow down on the wis tomes).
Edwin - Mage (best in the game they say)

3 Questions -

I don't know who my final party member should be?
As I am playing on the hardest difficulty I kinda want some one who will add value (Must be Evil or Neutral, thieves, clerics and good guys need not apply)

Should I twin tank?
Normally I enjoy having two tanks, one being a paladin (not an option) as he adds a large role playing element in IWD and lay on hands is very useful. If not, Kagain to tank and Dorn and Shar teel on the bows?


Which innocents are worth killing?
Really looking forward to managing my rep at a low level, EG off setting quests rep with the slaying of innocent woman and children (ok, maybe not that extreme) But who is worth it? other than Drizzt.


-I'm going to kill Imoen in order to get in the evil mindset, and you guys are just going to have to deal with that.


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  • CantabCantab Member Posts: 56
    Oh...any help would be greatly appreciated, many thanks guys!
  • CaptRoryCaptRory Member Posts: 1,660
    http://playithardcore.com/pihwiki/index.php?title=Baldur's_Gate:_NPC_Rundown#Evil-Aligned_NPCs

    I'd vote for Viconia or maybe Faldorn. Faldorn is the "Other Druid" and I think she might be a shadow druid.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    Xan.
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    You are a MONSTER! :P

    I heard Baeloth is pretty amazing for an evil party. Never found him myself (didn't try hard).

    Kagain and Dorn is more than enough for your front-line needs.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317

    You are a MONSTER! :P

    I heard Baeloth is pretty amazing for an evil party.

    He is...which is why I change my vote to him instead.
  • JLeeJLee Member Posts: 650
    edited August 2013
    I'd be tempted to bring Montaron along for a backstab specialist or just go without for more XP for everyone. You really do have a strong party there already.

    As far as innocents go, Oublek is a good one in Nashkell. He drops 3000 gp.

    EDIT: Completely forgot Baeloth. He is pretty awesome.
  • CantabCantab Member Posts: 56
    Wow, thanks for the quick responses guys, much appreciated, Sounds like I should go with Baeloth, though I know nothing about him, seems to be missing from the character guides, where abouts is he found? Cheers!
  • CantabCantab Member Posts: 56
    JLee said:

    I'd be tempted to bring Montaron along for a backstab specialist or just go without for more XP for everyone. You really do have a strong party there already.

    As far as innocents go, Oublek is a good one in Nashkell. He drops 3000 gp.

    EDIT: Completely forgot Baeloth. He is pretty awesome.

    Well, guess it sucks to be Oublek then, thanks.
  • CaptRoryCaptRory Member Posts: 1,660
    He's either found in Peldvale or Larswood (I can't recall which) once your main character is at least level 5 in one class. He's a sorcerer.
  • CantabCantab Member Posts: 56
    CaptRory said:

    He's either found in Peldvale or Larswood (I can't recall which) once your main character is at least level 5 in one class. He's a sorcerer.

    Thanks buddy!!

  • NymMoondownNymMoondown Member Posts: 219
    - There's a priest in the firewine bridge area...northeast. He drops a magic protection scroll.
    - Drizzt Do'Urden (now he has a normal speed it's so easy to kill him)
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
    You've only got one arcane caster in your party - Edwin's good, but you could use a little more spellpower in the group. Take Xzar with you until you reach level 5, then swap him out for Baeloth and reconfigure Edwin's spellbook to compliment Baeloth's.

    As for recommended kills, complete Shandalar's quest and then kill him before turning in the item he wants.
  • kamuizinkamuizin Member Posts: 3,704
    well, you don't have a cleric, so Viconia would come in hand if you want, you can also get faldorn, she's neutral but her behavior is evil and she get along well with evil party members (she cheer up when reputation is dropped).
  • CantabCantab Member Posts: 56
    shawne said:

    You've only got one arcane caster in your party - Edwin's good, but you could use a little more spellpower in the group. Take Xzar with you until you reach level 5, then swap him out for Baeloth and reconfigure Edwin's spellbook to compliment Baeloth's.

    As for recommended kills, complete Shandalar's quest and then kill him before turning in the item he wants.

    Yeah i'm going to go the Baeloth option, due to the mass support behind him, not sure if ill use Xzar or not as he will hinder my progress to level 5...which might be a little slow anyways given i'm multi classed, be it in classes which level up quickly.

    Good call on reconfiguration of Edwin spell book.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    CaptRory said:

    He's either found in Peldvale or Larswood (I can't recall which) once your main character is at least level 5 in one class. He's a sorcerer.

    Larswood
  • IllustairIllustair Member Posts: 878
    Baeloth, Edwin, Dorn, Viconia, Kagain...just for the sheer coolness! Who cares about strategy or what else when you have those guys?
  • NymMoondownNymMoondown Member Posts: 219
    Illustair said:

    Baeloth, Edwin, Dorn, Viconia, Kagain...just for the sheer coolness! Who cares about strategy or what else when you have those guys?

    Yes, they are about perfect but the group lacks a thief...so if you want to play someone with no thieves abilities you have to look for Monteron, Safana, Coran or so...

  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
    edited August 2013
    Cantab said:

    Yeah i'm going to go the Baeloth option, due to the mass support behind him, not sure if ill use Xzar or not as he will hinder my progress to level 5...which might be a little slow anyways given i'm multi classed, be it in classes which level up quickly.

    Actually, I'm rather certain that recruiting Baeloth only requires that one of your classes be level 5, so it won't take nearly as much time as you think. :) I recommend doing some side-quests after the Nashkel mines - if you clear out the Gnoll Stronghold, the Lighthouse area and the Firewine/Ulcaster region, you'll probably rake in enough EXP to have Baeloth with you for the next story segment (ie: Cloakwood). Taking out Drizzt would also go a long way towards getting you there...

    Also, the difference between a five-person or six-person team isn't that great in terms of EXP penalties, since most players tend to hit the level cap by the endgame anyway...
  • IllustairIllustair Member Posts: 878
    @NymMoondown
    True. But I believe OP is a multiclassed thief/cleric. Besides, those powerhouses can't be bothered by locks and traps; they're too cool for that. :-)
  • NymMoondownNymMoondown Member Posts: 219
    In my actual run I've all but Baeloth, I'm a blade and I need Safena ;)
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    Cantab said:


    Yeah i'm going to go the Baeloth option, due to the mass support behind him, not sure if ill use Xzar or not as he will hinder my progress to level 5...which might be a little slow anyways given i'm multi classed, be it in classes which level up quickly.

    Good call on reconfiguration of Edwin spell book.

    I played a Fighter/Mage in a full party for my BG EE run, it is one of the most xp hungry multi-class combos, and still I never felt like I was levelling too slowly. If you plan to slaughter your way across the Sword Coast, you'll have plenty of xp to hit the level cap.

    As a general hint, don't stray too far off the north-south axis in your early-game (Friendly Arm Inn -> Beregost -> Nashkel), explore perhaps only one region to the east and west if you wanna complete some local side-quests. The main exception to that rule is the Gnoll Stronghold, which you'll need to visit if you wanna keep Edwin, and that's an easy quest. Once you've completed the Nashkel Mines, you might as well explore the countryside all the way back up the sword coast, by the time you get to Larswood, you should be lv5 then.
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  • SchneidendSchneidend Member Posts: 3,190
    Montaron, Xzar, Eldoth, Safana, Viconia.

    An evil party isn't really an evil party without Viconia.
  • MilesBeyondMilesBeyond Member Posts: 324
    Based on party roles? Your best fit would probably be Quayle, but he's not evil, so I'm going to recommend Eldoth. He's an okay caster - not amazing, but great in a role as secondary caster - and with the Bracers of Archery, he can be a decent archer due to his ability to magically summon Arrows of Biting - not shabby at all. His low DEX is punishing - especially considering the Gauntlets of Dexterity should go to Kagain - but it's not insurmountable. In other words, your party currently has most of its bases covered, so a character who can play a supporting role is best.


    There are two issues with Eldoth, however. First, he's unavailable until chapter four. Second, and more importantly, he really does not get along with Shar-Teel, and the two can possibly try to kill one another. Just something to be aware of.
  • GoodSteveGoodSteve Member Posts: 607
    As others have stated Baeloth is a strong character. He is a sorcerer (and sorcerers are very strong) has 50% magic resistance because he is a drow, has good stats and has more spells known, when you recruit him, than a sorcerer of his level should have. That said, with Edwin in the party I don't really think he is necessary. I think that Quayle would be a better pick, personally. He's Chaotic Neutral though, not evil, but he's not exactly a nice guy and he will stick around in an evil party unless you do the most atrocious things (ie let your rep drop below 2.)

    Quayle is a highly underrated NPC because people don't like his stats but, truth be told, he is awesome. No other character in the game can cast as many spells per day as Quayle and no one has the same spell versatility, since he can cast both arcane a divine spells. Being a gnome he gets a +3 bonus to his saves from his Con (even though it's not great) and he can cast invisibility once per day as a cherry on top of it all. Quayle is a good pick for you because he will add some more arcane power to the group (with edwin or baeloth as your primary casters) and will take some of the pressure off your PC for "needed" cleric spells like healing, remove fear, and remove poison etc. Basically you can give him all the utility and healing spells and really let you focus on what a Cleric/Thief should, backstabbing people for silly amounts of damage.

    Montaron is actually also a solid choice for you because it will take the early level trapfinding and lockpicking pressure off of you and let you focus on hide/move silently maxing them out as early as possible. Montaron is a good fighter and backstabber but he is also badass in a supportive role. Give him full ranks in pick locks/find traps/pick pockets equip him with a sling (he comes stock with 2 pips in sling and a bonus +1 to hit from being a halfling) and watch him put archers like Kivan to shame since he adds his strength bonus to his damage rolls.

    Personally my lineup would look more like this:

    Kagain - Melee/Tank
    Dorn - Melee DPS
    Shar-Teel - Melee DPS
    Montaron - Utility Thief/Ranged
    Baeloth - Mage

    or

    Kagain - Melee/Tank
    Dorn - Melee DPS
    Shar-Teel - Fighter/Thief Dual Class
    Quayle - Arcane/Divine Support
    Baeloth - Mage
  • IchigoRXCIchigoRXC Member Posts: 1,001
    Xzar Montaron Dorn Viconia Edwin Baeloth. Who needs charname anyway ;)
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    I'd vote for Viconia. That way you have a full cleric. Or drop Edwin and get xzar and Monty.
  • shawneshawne Member Posts: 3,239
    @GoodSteve: The thing about Baeloth is that while he is indeed a formidable character, you can only pick him up at level 5 or higher, at which point most of his spells have already been selected. A second arcane caster is needed to cover the ones Baeloth will never be able to learn.
  • SchneidendSchneidend Member Posts: 3,190
    The best use for Baeloth is to kill him and take his sweet robes.
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