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Drizzt's stats in BG:EE v1.0.2014?

WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
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What are Drizzt's correct stats? I've read from a couple of sources he should have AC -10 and THAC0 0, but I could swear they're better than that. I just tried to take him out with a five character party (4-5 level) and got completely obliterated. I tried it five times and I think charname tank got in like two hits (rest of the party was using weak ranged weapons/ammunition and they are almost irrelevant here). Charname lvl 5 berserker had these stats with enchanments (berserker rage, chant, hasted etc.): AC -9, THAC0 4, hitpoints ~50. I'm not sure about APR, but I was using a scimitar with three proficiency points. I'm pretty sure charname missed with rolls of 16.

I actually thought I would stand a chance using healing potions and healing spells to keep my MC alive. Boy was I wrong. Also I don't want to use any cheap tactics killing him.

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  • CoM_SolaufeinCoM_Solaufein Member Posts: 2,606
    His AD&D stats compared to the cheating stats the designers gave him.
    http://www.baldursgatemods.com/forums/index.php?topic=7809.0
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    CoM_Solaufein said:

    His AD&D stats compared to the cheating stats the designers gave him.
    http://www.baldursgatemods.com/forums/index.php?topic=7809.0

    I forgot to say I saw him miss an attack only once against charname (AC -9). Or maybe he did miss more times but I just didn't notice it. I think he should miss 40% of his attacks vs AC -9 in the long run if his THAC0 is 0.
  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    Hm. I saw some stats posted elsewhere that were vastly superior to those in that link. Something like -10 base AC (before his +4 from Dex) and -10 THAC0 (possibly before his +3 swords, but they're implemented weirdly so I'm not sure).

    Regardless, repeated testing shows that you will not, without astronomically good luck, take down Drizzt in BG1 without cheating or cheesing. Fortunately, his lack of ranged attacks makes him very easy to cheese.
  • AranthysAranthys Member Posts: 722
    He can be solo pretty easily by a Wizard using Fireshield (Red + Blue) and Stoneskins.
    He's only got 92 hp, so he'll die quite fast while pounding on the Wizard (2xshield deals 2d8+4 per hit. on average, you only need to absorb 7 to 8 hits with stoneskin to have drizzt kill himself.
  • DKnightDKnight Member Posts: 307
    Drizzt is ridiculously overrated. Just about most of my fighter characters in rpgs are better than Drizzt. He's got low constitution and low strength. Sarevok can make short work of him and dexterity doesn't matter when you can get a naturally high armor class without having a high dexterity!
  • Lord_TansheronLord_Tansheron Member Posts: 4,212
    @Aranthys: there is considerable debate as to whether this is intended or not, as the fire from the shields seems to be bypassing magic resistance (of which Drizzt has plenty).

    @Jarrakul: being able or unable to defeat Drizzt entirely depends on the definition of "cheese", which usually results in 20 pages of thread pitting various factions against one another.
  • CoM_SolaufeinCoM_Solaufein Member Posts: 2,606
    http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/drizzt-2nd.htm
  • DKnightDKnight Member Posts: 307
    Lord_Tansheron said:

    @Aranthys: there is considerable debate as to whether this is intended or not, as the fire from the shields seems to be bypassing magic resistance (of which Drizzt has plenty).

    @Jarrakul: being able or unable to defeat Drizzt entirely depends on the definition of "cheese", which usually results in 20 pages of thread pitting various factions against one another.

    He's hard in the 1st game but not so much in BG2. In Baldurs Gate 2, most decked out bards/rogues can fight him in single combat and win. Items matter much moreso than stats, unless of course you neglected strength, dex and constitution.
  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    Yeah, in BG2 he's nowhere near as bad. I mean, he's still decent by the standards of fighter-type enemies, but he and his entire party are still easier than he is alone in BG1. Funny how being twice the level and having better gear will do that.

    @Lord_Tansheron, fair point. That's not an argument I really care to start. I think we can all agree, however, that Drizzt is not going to go down in a straight-up slugfest. Which is more-or-less the point I was trying to make.
  • sarevok57sarevok57 Member Posts: 6,002
    his actual AC is -16 ( base is -10, dexterity is -4 bonus and twinkle brings it down by another 2 = -16, -18 vs slashing, -14 vs crushing) now BGEE keeper says his base thac0 is 0, but that is bologna sandwich that its only 0, I believe his actual thac0 is -9, in vanilla bg I used sword coast keeper to make an exact replica of drizzt for my charname, giving him the exact same stats as SCK gave him, and exact same items in the exact same spots, and I had -9 thac0 if I recall correctly, if you want to take him on in melee, use the golden girdle with some fullplate and improved invisiblity, that will give him a -11 to hit penalty
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    edited September 2013
    sarevok57 said:

    his actual AC is -16 ( base is -10, dexterity is -4 bonus and twinkle brings it down by another 2 = -16, -18 vs slashing, -14 vs crushing) now BGEE keeper says his base thac0 is 0, but that is bologna sandwich that its only 0, I believe his actual thac0 is -9, in vanilla bg I used sword coast keeper to make an exact replica of drizzt for my charname, giving him the exact same stats as SCK gave him, and exact same items in the exact same spots, and I had -9 thac0 if I recall correctly, if you want to take him on in melee, use the golden girdle with some fullplate and improved invisiblity, that will give him a -11 to hit penalty

    This would explain why he was so tough. Buffs that I didn't use (or have) include: Defensive harmony, improved invisibility, potion of x giant strenght so when I add those, a couple of exp levels, the golden girdle and a full plate mail I think I can beat him. Btw does a full plate mail give me better bonuses againts him than the ankheg plate which I'm currently using?
  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    edited September 2013
    http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/comment/257100/#Comment_257100

    Edit:
    sarevok57 said:

    his actual AC is -16 ( base is -10, dexterity is -4 bonus and twinkle brings it down by another 2 = -16, -18 vs slashing, -14 vs crushing)

    His actual AC is -14 because is not using Twinkle, but a creature weapon providing a special attack (DRIZZTS.ITM) that does additional slashing damage if you fail a save vs. death.
  • Tysonm1Tysonm1 Member Posts: 40
    The improved stats are probably to make up for the lack of kitty cat panther.
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 10,447
    I've been campaigning for Drizzt to use his PnP stats for a while now. The general consensus from people I've talked to (both in and outside of the team) is that PnP Drizzt would be a lot easier to kill, which would ruin most of the fun for the "How did YOU defeat Drizzt" threads.

    Still, it'd be fun to make him an actual Ranger with all the proper stats; at that point you could even give him Guenhwyvar to help even the odds a bit.
  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    It's worth noting that one of the PnP drow books (I don't remember which one, but if anyone cares I could probably dig it up) had stats for Drizzt that were different from those usually shown for him. Specifically, they cheated. He just had chances to deal bonus damage and stuff like that, just because he's Drizzt. I'm actually okay with this, because D&D does a terrible job of modelling the sort of warrior that Drizzt is. Honestly, I think there's good kit material there, but I don't think such a kit exists so they just went and cheated instead.
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    Wilbur said:

    Btw does a full plate mail give me better bonuses againts him than the ankheg plate which I'm currently using?

    Anyone know this?

  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    Wilbur said:

    Btw does a full plate mail give me better bonuses againts him than the ankheg plate which I'm currently using?

    Full plate is better.

    Drizzt does slashing damage and the Full Plate has a slightly better modifier vs. slashing. The difference in AC vs. slashing is only 1 however.
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    Erg said:

    Wilbur said:

    Btw does a full plate mail give me better bonuses againts him than the ankheg plate which I'm currently using?

    Full plate is better.

    Drizzt does slashing damage and the Full Plate has a slightly better modifier vs. slashing. The difference in AC vs. slashing is only 1 however.
    Ok, thanks. I think I'll have another dance with him today.
  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    Wilbur said:

    Erg said:

    Wilbur said:

    Btw does a full plate mail give me better bonuses againts him than the ankheg plate which I'm currently using?

    Full plate is better.

    Drizzt does slashing damage and the Full Plate has a slightly better modifier vs. slashing. The difference in AC vs. slashing is only 1 however.
    Ok, thanks. I think I'll have another dance with him today.
    Also consider that Drizzt has -9 THAC0, so he will hit you every time (except on critical miss) unless your total AC vs. slashing is -12 or lower, otherwise it doesn't matter which armour you are wearing.
  • SouthpawSouthpaw Member Posts: 2,026
    Dee said:

    I've been campaigning for Drizzt to use his PnP stats for a while now. The general consensus from people I've talked to (both in and outside of the team) is that PnP Drizzt would be a lot easier to kill, which would ruin most of the fun for the "How did YOU defeat Drizzt" threads.

    So, you are saying that Drizzt is kept as a cheater only for the "forum bragging rights" ??
  • ErgErg Member Posts: 1,756
    Southpaw said:

    Dee said:

    I've been campaigning for Drizzt to use his PnP stats for a while now. The general consensus from people I've talked to (both in and outside of the team) is that PnP Drizzt would be a lot easier to kill, which would ruin most of the fun for the "How did YOU defeat Drizzt" threads.

    So, you are saying that Drizzt is kept as a cheater only for the "forum bragging rights" ??
    No, Drizzt is more than that, he is also werebears' favourite food.
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    Erg said:

    Wilbur said:

    Erg said:

    Wilbur said:

    Btw does a full plate mail give me better bonuses againts him than the ankheg plate which I'm currently using?

    Full plate is better.

    Drizzt does slashing damage and the Full Plate has a slightly better modifier vs. slashing. The difference in AC vs. slashing is only 1 however.
    Ok, thanks. I think I'll have another dance with him today.
    Also consider that Drizzt has -9 THAC0, so he will hit you every time (except on critical miss) unless your total AC vs. slashing is -12 or lower, otherwise it doesn't matter which armour you are wearing.
    If the full plate really gives a -4 bonus to AC vs slashing then I think I can get charname's AC to at least -14 or -15 vs Drizzt. Maybe then I will stand a chance. Probably not. :)
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    edited September 2013
    Yeah... no dice. Had thac0 2, AC -9/-16 vs slashing, APR 3. At least now I was able to hit him a couple of times and also saw him miss every now and then. I'll try again after a couple of level ups.
  • ZanathKariashiZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869
    edited September 2013
    yeah...his total AC is 8 points better then it should be. (according to Heroes Lorebook it's -8, TOTAL (and requires him devote all 5 points of his defender to AC to reach that, it would actually be -5 in BG since he's only using 2 points of ac on twinkle)). He also has 30% damage reduction against all physical damage and 98% magic resistance, which is just ridiculous and uncalled for.

    Even the lore book though has a lot of obvious BS...

    1. They call the frost brand, twinkle (it's called the Blade of Icingdeath, or just Icingdeath for short).
    2. Twinkle is NOT a defender, it's a +1 danger sense scimitar (by word of god).
    3. His listed MR is 2% higher then a drow's can possibly be, and given how long he's been away from the Underdark shouldn't have any drow abilities at all. And even in the books he admits he's lost most of drow abilities since the beginning of the Icewind Dale trilogy (just a small amount of magic resistance and limited uses of faerie fire and darkness is all he ever displays after the Homeland trilogy)
    4. He has 1.5 more attacks then he possibly should.
    5. He has spells, despite him NEVER ONCE, in any canon media, using spells that aren't drow innate abilities.


    More accurate Drizzt

    AC = -5 total (AC 1, -4, -2)
    HP = 92 (9d10[62+9], +21)
    Thac0 = Base 5 (1/1) (Has Ambidexterity trait (+2 bonus with off-hand attacks))
    Attacks = 3.5 total
    Damage = 1d8+5 (x2.5), 1d8+5 (x1)
    Magic resistances = 50% MR, 50% vs fire, +2 saves vs spells.
    Alignment = Chaotic Good
    Stats-
    str 13, dex 20, Con 15, int 17, wis 17, cha 14

    Profs -

    Scimitar **, Short sword *, Dagger *, Longsword **, Shortbow **, Two-weapon style ***

    Spells -
    Faerie Fire x1 (makes all targets within 10ft glow, preventing/removing stealth/invisibility and -2 AC penalty (party-safe). Lasts 3 rounds, +1 round/level.), Darkness x1 (aoe cloud, causes no-save, no MR blindess for 1 round, aoe lasts 1 turn, +1round/level), Summon Guenhwyvar x1 (6 hd (45 hp) Panther. AC4, 13 thac0, Attacks = 3, Damage = 1d4+1 (x2), 1d12 (x1), Drops = Non-functional Onyx Panther figurine (sell value 75g) (Guenhwyvar broke the summoning compulsion back during Homeland, and will only answer the call of Drizzt or his friends).

    Worn Equipment-
    Icingdeath +3, Twinkle +5 (+3, +2 ac), Mithril Chainmail+4, boots of speed (undroppable).

    Droppable Equipment - (non-pickpocketable).
    Icingdeath, Twinkle, Mithril Chainmail+4, bracers of blinding strike.
    Post edited by ZanathKariashi on
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    Btw is Drizzt immune to backstabbing? I would have to roll a 20 to hit him though.
  • ZanathKariashiZanathKariashi Member Posts: 2,869
    He isn't, but as mentioned, you'll mostly likely need a crit to land it.
  • SchneidendSchneidend Member Posts: 3,190
    CoM_Solaufein said:

    His AD&D stats compared to the cheating stats the designers gave him.
    http://www.baldursgatemods.com/forums/index.php?topic=7809.0

    Quite possibly the single greatest mod for BG1 in existence. I'll be installing this for my latest run-through come patch time.

  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    I was finally able to kill him after a couple of tries. With a potion of cloud giant strength I got charname's (lvl 6) thac0 to -1. Also I found out that Dorn's Absorb Health ability works on Drizzt and that actually delivered the killing "blow".
  • CoM_SolaufeinCoM_Solaufein Member Posts: 2,606
    Giving your party potions of speed can help out greatly as well.
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    CoM_Solaufein said:

    Giving your party potions of speed can help out greatly as well.

    I only had one potion of speed (for charname), but more would have definitely helped.
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