I honestly can't play real time games anymore
DKnight
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I don't know. Im starting to wonder why I even play party based games. I have always had a pretty easy run with a thief as players character and some kind of fighter for Baldurs Gate and Planescape Torment. An easy 2 man combo. But I tried this time to make a ranger instead of a thief, it backfired so bad. I took Rasaad and he pretty much sucks. In fact all of the characters were kind of lackluster against the end game battle. Sarevok is nothing when you have 1 thief and speed/strength potions. You can even get a thief higher armor class than my ranger. He just sucked.
He was lvl 8 and had 150 health and Sarevok was just destroying him. I had to dance around the fight which took a combined reload amount of like 15-20. Ive spent more than an hour on this crap.
I think this is just a sign that party based games for me are better with turn based. Ive tried to control a party of 2 or more and its just too much for me to handle. I think that Im better off with turn based games as I at least am good at.
Real time is just too hard. Im deleting.
He was lvl 8 and had 150 health and Sarevok was just destroying him. I had to dance around the fight which took a combined reload amount of like 15-20. Ive spent more than an hour on this crap.
I think this is just a sign that party based games for me are better with turn based. Ive tried to control a party of 2 or more and its just too much for me to handle. I think that Im better off with turn based games as I at least am good at.
Real time is just too hard. Im deleting.
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2.) Don't go in to unrealistic fights and then complain about the game when you lose.
3.) Equip your ranger with this.
Full plate
Large shield +2
Varscona / War hammer +2 or equal weapon
Ring of protection +2
Cloak of Balduran (If you got someone that can pickpocket)
And you'll be sitting on -8 to -10 AC.
Throw in a potion of heroism, power and cloud giant strength if you have and then use Draw upon holy might (Bhaalspawn power) to get your strength to 25. With a small stack of healing potions you should be able to win him 1v1 with your ranger. Just remember to use an oil of speed and run away to drink potions when you're low on health.
Here's the funny part, battles are so randomized its like whats the point of even being able to hit. If my guy is a tough lvl 8 fighter max lvl in the game, I should be able to hit boss at least 3/5 of the time I swing.
The whole game is all about luck.
During the pause, I issue commands to everyone and then let them do their thing, pausing as necessary. It makes the combat go a lot smoother.
2.) If you get a status effect it'll show up on your portrait, then you can go to your character information and see what it is. Once you're used to the game you'll see on the potrait what it is and know how to fix it.
3.) You can disarm the traps or just pull the boss to the entrance of the place and ignore all the traps.
4.) YOU can't control a large party, this is something you'll have to learn.
5.) The enemy need to have everything against your or it won't be challenging. This is a computer game and as good as the AI (Artificial intelligence) is in Baldur's gate as a player you'll find out ways to beat it rather quickly, this is the reason they need to have something extra to help them. Eventually with time you'll end up thinking the game is too easy and search for things like SCS to make it harder. There are people out there that use difficult enhancing mods and go through the whole series (BG1,BG2 + expansions) Without dying a single time.
6.) You won't have the same Thac0 as Sarevok, and AC is just as important as Thac0 if not more so. So make sure you got an AC in the -8 to -10 area and then just focus on running away from him to heal yourself up when you get low on health.
7.) Battles in a system based on dice will always be somewhat random, but most of this can be taken into consideration. It's possible to walk into a fight with a mage and not even take a single point of damage, if you know what you're doing. The game will always be random, but that doesn't mean you can't affect the outcome, this isn't lottery.
8.) You got ONE level 8 ranger against the last boss of a game intended to be fought by 6 players. You were ment to probably have 2-3 fighters, a mage, a cleric and then a thief shooting arrows. Ofcourse you won't be able to easily bring him down if you're alone or with two characters unless you're very experienced with this game. It is possible to solo Sarevok but this requires experience and for some people many reloads.
9.) I'm sorry to say this but you should probably go back to playing Mass Effect or games like that. Baldur's gate can be a very hard game until you learn to play it, and it looks to me like you're giving up way too easily. I have no idea how you get through any turn based games as most of the good ones are quite a bit harder than Baldur's Gate. And let me tell you the turn based feature is not something from another planet if you compare it to Baldur's gate. The pause feature in Baldur's gate makes this game very pleasent and you can almost get it turn based with the auto pause feature.
Also Sarevok is level 15, has a Thac0 (not including his weapon) of 2, and wields a +5 two-handed sword. Just because he's hitting you in melee that doesn't mean the ranger class sucks as a whole.
And mass effect is terribly hard, I want nothing to do with that game.
Here's what PiH (Play it Hardcore) has to say about Rasaad...
Comments: Ugh. Just ugh. What an abysmal NPC. Monks are really bad at low levels, even at the max level obtainable in BG1. He also has horrendous stats, and if you pick him up pre-level 4 he doesn't even have a proficiency in a ranged weapon so you can keep him safely in the back and at least contributing to fights. He brings nothing to the table outside of new dialogue and a quest line that yields some very good gear. As of yet, I'm unsure of if the gauntlets of ogre power can be used by him. If so, they are a must so he can actually land a hit in melee and deal some decent damage. If you're looking for a character that's actually useful in battle, skip him because he's bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.
To me, he's replaced Garrick as favorite sacrificial lamb. I let Shoal kill him and don't even bother asking for him back.
Very, very experienced players can solo the game for a new experience, but, the game was never meant to be soloed. It is a game for a party of six.
If you don't like playing with, and managing a party of six, this is not your game. Play something else.
Complaining that BG is a "real time" game for one or two characters shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what game you're playing.
And, the final battle against Sarevok is designed to be damn hard. I always dread it, and am often beaten by it, even with a party of six, and fifteen years of experience playing this game.
If you want a guaranteed win and an effortless PC video game experience, go play Dragon Age, Skyrim, or one of their many clones.
If you want an EASY experience where you solo, pick up Kingdoms of Amalur; it's fun, and obscenely easy if you don't use Heartcore mod.
Its moreso ridiculous as Icewind Dale just handed me my sword a week ago. Im terrible. I'll try and use auto pause but I don't know how much that will help.
Understand that here is a ranger who was destroying enemies left and right. With him and Rasaad against Sarevok and Tazok, its like my guys are terrible and the bad guys are like Tyson and Ali. Luckily I just beat the fight, but not after 15 reloads.
Just don't let the game stress you out. Always keep calm and know what you are doing, never randomly do something without reason. Use Pause gratuitously, the game has been designed around it. Always consider your options, like potions, wands, spells, etc.
Once you get the hang of it, it's very easy to beat every battle with next to no effort.
Also, the last time I beat BG1, I only did it on my third try, with a full party of six.
Understand that the final battle with Sarevok is kind of infamous in gaming history for its difficulty, and it was designed to be epic, and to require every skill you'd ever developed, and every magic item you'd ever collected, to be won.
The original devs wanted to give you an epic end battle experience. If you beat Sarevok, you should feel like you've just defeated a *god*.
I think that the original game was also designed to require you to reload a bunch of times. You're supposed to have a constant sense of danger in the game, and a very real sense of losing at any moment. That's all the better to get your adrenaline flowing, my dear.
"Grandma, what big adrenal glands you have!" The better to become excited by the prospect of eating you, my dear!"
As for the evil thing in TOTSC, I've never gotten past it and usually just bypass it, as it's a little ridiculous. There should be lore in the game to tell you what to use against enemies like that (as well as the other beastie evil on the island). I think that the game over-forces metagaming and it's a little frustrating because of the HOURS you put in to find that you under-optimized or whatnot.
So. Try different approaches. Yes, luck is a part of it (to be sure), but not the only part.
Parties don't "confuse" me but between horrible pathfinding, formations that simply do not work, split XP system, the complete lack of difficulty if you know the game(party of 4-6 reduces 90% of fights to "select everyone, left click on enemy, wait") and lackluster character interaction(even in BG2, yeah I went there) whenever I think of playing with a party I lose the will to play at all.
I'm not entirely surprised you're having difficulty trying to beat Sarevok with a party of 2. The game is balanced for 5-6 person parties, with all the attendant buffs this entails. Your poor Level 8 ranger is going up against a Level 15 fighter and his retinue, and while Rasaad's got a decent story monks are very underpowered in BG:EE.
One way to approach learning a party is to go back to the party tutorial in Candlekeep (or try out the Black Pits). Typically having approximately 2-3 melee fighters, 1 thief, 1 mage and 1 cleric is good for BG1. Due to multiclassing you can often combine these roles, so Yeslick or Jaheira can function as a fighter and your cleric.
Using offense or defense enhancing spells (buffs) from clerics or mages can make your party far tougher in combat. Spells like chant, bless, haste, protection from evil and remove fear can all help.
I'd like to reiterate that a) pausing is great to let you give orders and remove confusion. b)you've done bloody well to get to the final battle with just your PC and Rasaad.
Easier to gear up everyone
More experience for each one
With 4 party members you can easily make a powerful team including everything.
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Ranger/Cleric
** War hammer
*** Dual Wield
* Flail
This character will be an amazing tank, have great stats and be able to cast both druid and cleric spells.
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Fighter/Thief
** Crossbow
** Dagger/Longsword
Here you got your thief aswell as main archer.
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Fighter/Mage
** Halberd
** Two handed sword
Here is your mage and after buffing up him you can put a full plate on and have him front line.
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Blade
* Scimitar
* Longsword
* Dual wield
A second arcane caster for your party that is a great fighting machine with offensive spin. His high lore score will identify everything in the game and he has pickpocket so your thief can focus on other skills.
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Druid spells
Cleric spells
2 arcane casters
Thief
Bard for lore and pickpocket
All 4 party members are great in combat and can hold their own.
You don't need anymore than 4 people to have a balanced team. If you're going with NPC's already in the game it's still easy enough to get a good team.