Add an alternate way to get silver dragon blood in BG2
Ryan
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After completing all the quests for the silver dragon in the underdark, she rewards you with a few options and I was looking if we could add silver dragon blood to those options. Otherwise the only way to get it is to kill her. The blood is for the creation of the human flesh armor, which is a super evil item, but I still don't think we should be forced to kill the dragon to get the blood. There should always be options.
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to be updated to work with BG2EE.
Anyways, silver dragon blood by itself isn't an evil thing unless you kill the dragon, but if she gives it to you then it could be used for all sorts of different purposes.
1) murder innocents,
2) strip them of their flesh,
3) sew together the flesh into armor, then, once it's in your possession,
4) ask a Silver Dragon to give you some of its blood so you can collaborate with other Evil individuals in making the armor into a powerful, Evilly-enchanted magic item...
...and justify your actions because you plan to use it for non-Evil purposes, like giving it to an Evil character in your party? Do you think Adalon would buy that story?
It's Evil behavior by proxy. To wear such armor is an Evil act in-and-of itself, such that it cannot even be worn by Neutral and Good beings, much like Drizzt's scimitar, Twinkle, cannot be used by non-Good characters. In PnP, there would probably be an XP loss and HP damage for non-Evil beings who attempt to put on the armor (like other alignment-dependent items), but it was probably easier just to make the item unusable by them in BG2.
Maybe I should have worded things better, but yes. You could give the flesh to an evil character in support of your mission for the greater good. Also, you wouldn't have to tell Adalon exactly what it's for. You could tell her it's for a spell component or whatever.
Step 1: Return the eggs normally
Step 2: Teleport at Drow Gate. Casts a timestop and kill her. Preferably, use a fighter/mage to earn exp for killing a dragon. If not fast enough (she has stoneskin, tons of hp and WILL teleport away when you attack her), use a sorcerer to shapechange into mindflayer and mind-drain her to death (no exp).
I realize that the developers want you to kill Adalon to make such a powerful and evil item. That's their intent, I know that. I just always found it rather unfair that if your an evil PC, you only get one option and you miss out on a ton of experience/items/story. Evil people can also be non-violent problem thinkers, charismatic, and 3-dimensional. I really don't care about the armor AT ALL. I care about being about to make choices. I mean, if you didn't betray Adalon and did everything you were supposed to then as a reward you could ask her for some blood, I'm sure she would be fine with that.
With soooo many valuable, powerful, and enchanted items in the game, it's hard to believe that a good character would want to invest time in creating something so evil when there are plenty of non-morally-objectionable alternatives that would probably serve him/her just as well.
It would be like finding a jacket that fits you absolutely perfectly...but just happens to be emblazoned with a bunch of Swastikas on the back. You could try and justify buying it to your friends, but who are you really fooling?
What's the point in even giving the option to kill a Dragon, that's a tough challenge, if you could just ask her to cut herself, just so you can use an Item of pure evil, to support your supposedly good character's missions?
If your characters were truly the purest of good, from the RP perspective, you wouldn't even be having this thought to complete the item. It's pure evil and your supposedly 'good' character wouldn't even pick it up, let alone think about completing it. Absurd logic is absurd...
@Cyteen Think of this: You're Adalon the silver dragon, the PC and party is going to help you out. The PC is very intelligent and charismatic. The PC helps you out, doesn't take your eggs, and does a lot of good. The PC only asks for a vial of your blood. Now you know that this person may or may not be shady, but that's the trade off. The PC assures you that the blood has nothing to do with you or your kin, nor will it directly harm anyone. You believe the PC.
@Purudaya That jacket can always be re-bleached and have a new design on it. You can also put a light cloak over, just about, anything else to hide what's underneath.
From an RP perspective, if you're a truly good character, it would probably be more 'good' of you to destroy the armor and punish the people behind making such a vile item. And for an evil character, well... unless you're doing it just to be evil, there's better armor to be had that doesn't require potentially pissing off a dragon by saying, "Pleeeeeease bleed into this bottle for me I SWEAR I won't use it to break all the laws of god and man."
And from a game perspective, the Human Flesh armor just isn't that great anyway. No Evil-aligned leather-wearers in an unmodded game, and if your evil MC wears leather, there's already plenty of options that are just as good or better. Basically the only reason you'd need it is if you had Viconia and really, REALLY didn't wanna drop a STR-boosting item on her, locking her out of the easily available menagerie of awesome Plate and Full Plate. XD
I really, really dislike that neutral and especially evil alignments get screwed out of so much exp., items, quests and etc... because they only have one option and it's kill everything 'cause you're a dumb evil brute, even though you're probably not. Like if you don't play good, you miss out on a large chunk of the game. Look at Knight's of the Old Republic for example. You could play good or evil and they both get equivalent rewards.
And to be honest that's probably the smart thing to do. Typically you will get to the underdark as a mid level adventuring party so having a fight with an old, powerful silver dragon is likely to end badly. Far more sensible to play along with her idea : in the hopes of getting an opportunity to turn the tables later.
Though the evil ending to the Druid Grove quest does totally suck, yes.
Nowdays, with Dorn and Hexxat quest this can be changed a bit at least if you make their quests.
In the old days, the only quest that truly compensate by being evil as Frikgaark quest, and STILL you get less party experience being evil than if you play good. It's something like 48.000 for each character being evil x 55.000 for each character being good or something like that.
In the Druid Grove and Trademeet you receive the GREATEST DUMP in xp for being evil.
Adalon is the 2° next greatest dump in xp for play evil.
Edit: The penality for purchases in low rep is still in the game... rep 2 or 1 make ridiculous hard to buy something... i can kill the guy if i don't like his face and he raise the price 10x for me? Cmon?