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Edwin or Xan?

Im a Blade chaotic neutral what should I do? Xan has a sick weapon and can make a pretty descent fighter and has a likeable personality however he has very low hit points and can't cast evocation spells. Edwin on the other hand has mad magic powers good constitution but is shit at melee attacks and a horrible personality..thoughts?

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  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    Depends on the rest of your party and their alignment. From a pure powergaming perspective, I think Edwin wins easily.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited November 2013
    Play based on what personality you want.

    To quote my NPC guide (warning...self promotion follows)

    "You have to realise that the original Baldur's Gate (pre-expansion) had a much lower experience cap than BGEE, far fewer spells, a more powerful final boss, and no kits. Despite this it was still a very beatable game. So while the learning curve may be steep it is much easier than it used to be."

    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=183524786#

    In other words its still very possible to make Xan into a great mage character and beat any problems that come before you. It takes more work than Edwin but if you like Xan's personality better than go for it!
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    Well, if you want to kill everyone else, go Edwin. If you want to have your party on the verge of killing themselves through apathy, choose Xan.
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    Sounds like you like Xan better, so go with him. There isn't much of a difference between spellcasters. Edwin gets more spells but all it means is that you have to rest a bit less.
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    Ruscoe said:

    Im a Blade chaotic neutral what should I do? Xan has a sick weapon and can make a pretty descent fighter and has a likeable personality however he has very low hit points and can't cast evocation spells. Edwin on the other hand has mad magic powers good constitution but is shit at melee attacks and a horrible personality..thoughts?

    If the choice is based on power levels, Edwin's bonuses to his casting far outstrip anything that any wizard (Xan included) can offer in the way of combat. And since there is absolutely no lack of much better front liners in BG1 (Minsc, Kivan, Kagain, Shar-Teel, Dorn, Khalid, Jahiera, Ajantis, heck even Viconia and Branwen are better at combat than any mage could be), if you are asking from a strictly power standpoint, the answer is clear. Edwin for the Ed-Win!

    But as has been said, it is very possible to complete the game with just about any combination of characters. So if you like Xan's personality and want him in your party, have at it. You aren't hurting yourself excessively.

    My personal only complaint with Edwin, other than his alignment should I choose to play a good party, is his lack of ability to cast Identify (and low lore rating). Early game, having to identify every single magic item for 100 gold a pop can add up quickly. VERY quickly indeed. By mid game, you have more money to play with, and by late game you have so much gold that I am surprised dragons don't rent rooms with you just to sleep on your hoard. But early game that lack can mean the difference between getting decent equipment for your group or busking it with less than the best equipment.
  • Time4TiddyTime4Tiddy Member Posts: 262

    ...by late game you have so much gold that I am surprised dragons don't rent rooms with you just to sleep on your hoard.

    Love it.
  • RangerRanger Member Posts: 10
    I don't like Xan as a character. He's so negative, but I guess that is his niche. In my current playthrough I dumped him off for Coran and dual-classed Imoen at that time.

    I have a hard time playing evil characters in games though as well. I really have to try at it. That's what always makes it hard for me to keep Edwin even though he is clearly at an advantage in both of the Baldur's Gate Games.

    The power-player type of gamer that I am would totally go for Edwin in this situation. I've always figured though if I want the perfect mage for my party, I'm going to have to begin the game as one myself.
  • RazaDelromRazaDelrom Member Posts: 149
    edited November 2013
    Xan a likely personality? Oh well, and here I thought he was a tiny little bit pessimistic.

    Xan is more like a buffer who needs fortitude and strength pots/spells to shine, Edwin is more like a glass cannon with lots of spells.

    If you have an evil or neutral party, and need lots and lots of spells, get Edwin.
    If you have a neutral or good party, then you might go for Xan, but stack up on fortitude pots and buff spells.

    Imoen can be converted to mage by dualing her somewhere between lvl 4 and lvl 6. If you dual her faster, then you will garantee a powerful spellcaster with more HP then both of them can achieve in their single class. If you wait until you nearly reach the limit, then you get a very sturdy mage with lesser spells. There are a few items that add spells to a char, like the evermemory or later in BG2 there is a nice katana.
    All in all, all viable options, some require more micromanagement then others.

    Since you have your blade, identifying objects should not be a problem. :)
  • badbromancebadbromance Member Posts: 238
    Life is so hollow without Xan. No evocation isn't much of a loss for BG1 (or identify really for Edwin)
    Edwin is amazing in BG2 love all his banter and his lines always make me laugh
  • MungriMungri Member Posts: 1,645
    I'm rolling on the floor with 'Xan can make a decent fighter'.

    Just no. His weapon is just flashy, but in his hands it is ineffective.
  • KidCarnivalKidCarnival Member Posts: 3,747
    Umm, neither makes a good melee fighter. That's not what mages are meant to be. No evocation isn't a big deal, there are enough wands to make up for it. So go by personality, mechanically, they come out as the same.
  • RuscoeRuscoe Member Posts: 126
    Mungri said:

    I'm rolling on the floor with 'Xan can make a decent fighter'.

    Just no. His weapon is just flashy, but in his hands it is ineffective.

    obviously i meant compared to other mages in the game
  • MungriMungri Member Posts: 1,645
    Any mage with 16 con makes a better melee than Xan because girdle of hill giant strength and polymorph self.
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    Yeah, but lightsaber > no lightsaber.

    But why are we even talking about their melee abilities? The best part about Xan's lightsaber is the fire resistance because it means you can go nuts with fireballs.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    nano said:

    Yeah, but lightsaber > no lightsaber.

    But why are we even talking about their melee abilities? The best part about Xan's lightsaber is the fire resistance because it means you can go nuts with fireballs.

    Fireball wands are pretty handy for him :)
  • Time4TiddyTime4Tiddy Member Posts: 262

    Umm, neither makes a good melee fighter. That's not what mages are meant to be. No evocation isn't a big deal, there are enough wands to make up for it. So go by personality, mechanically, they come out as the same.

    Actually, at the point you get him in the game, it's likely that Xan has a better THAC0 with his Moonblade than you do, and probably half your party as well, anyone not a fighter type. He gets a +3 THAC0 from the blade - your non-fighter with a +1 weapon might have a 18 or 19, Xan will have a 17. :) Now, making him so he can take more than one hit, that's another challenge, especially if you get him at level 2 before he has Blur and Mirror Image.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited November 2013

    Umm, neither makes a good melee fighter. That's not what mages are meant to be. No evocation isn't a big deal, there are enough wands to make up for it. So go by personality, mechanically, they come out as the same.

    Actually, at the point you get him in the game, it's likely that Xan has a better THAC0 with his Moonblade than you do, and probably half your party as well, anyone not a fighter type. He gets a +3 THAC0 from the blade - your non-fighter with a +1 weapon might have a 18 or 19, Xan will have a 17. :) Now, making him so he can take more than one hit, that's another challenge, especially if you get him at level 2 before he has Blur and Mirror Image.
    His chance to hit would be even better if his swinging followed knocking enemies unconscious with "Sleep". :)
  • RazaDelromRazaDelrom Member Posts: 149
    Mungri said:

    Any mage with 16 con makes a better melee than Xan because girdle of hill giant strength and polymorph self.

    That's where pots come into play, potion of fortitude should set con on 18 points for an hour or two. Now include a strength spell and you will get an better then average fighter with a all too flashy blade. Seriously it looks nice, but it's a friggin DAGGER, not a flaming moe. ;)

  • Time4TiddyTime4Tiddy Member Posts: 262
    edited November 2013

    Seriously it looks nice, but it's a friggin DAGGER, not a flaming moe. ;)

    Ah, the evolution of the Moonblade. It's actually supposed to be a longsword. In BG vanilla, they gave Xan "small sword" proficiency, which included short swords and daggers, and you could at least pretend the Moonblade was a short sword. Now that "small sword" is gone and swords of any kind are forbidden to mages, they gave Xan dagger proficiency and call the Moonblade a dagger. They should have just stuck with the lore that it's a unique blade and therefore usable by Xan regardless of his class.

    All of this is fixed in 3e where elves regardless of class can use longswords, short swords, longbows and shortbows.
  • RuscoeRuscoe Member Posts: 126

    Umm, neither makes a good melee fighter. That's not what mages are meant to be. No evocation isn't a big deal, there are enough wands to make up for it. So go by personality, mechanically, they come out as the same.

    Actually, at the point you get him in the game, it's likely that Xan has a better THAC0 with his Moonblade than you do, and probably half your party as well, anyone not a fighter type. He gets a +3 THAC0 from the blade - your non-fighter with a +1 weapon might have a 18 or 19, Xan will have a 17. :) Now, making him so he can take more than one hit, that's another challenge, especially if you get him at level 2 before he has Blur and Mirror Image.
    we're all around level 7 and hes at level 7 if i recruit him. but now at this point I'm so indicided I want to go back to neera as she s a new npc. heres the thing I cheated when I got rid of her by closing her in a store house when I recruited garrik cuz i didn't want to go through the ''you are fireing me'' thing. so i went back to beregost, turns out she you can still get back with her at the friendly arm in BUT SHES STILL AT LEVEL 1. is this a bug?
  • GemHoundGemHound Member Posts: 801
    edited November 2013
    Edwin is good at everything but identifying, Xan is good at multiple things and has a flaming sword(do not even know what his class is).
  • Time4TiddyTime4Tiddy Member Posts: 262
    Ruscoe said:

    we're all around level 7 and hes at level 7 if i recruit him. but now at this point I'm so indicided I want to go back to neera as she s a new npc. heres the thing I cheated when I got rid of her by closing her in a store house when I recruited garrik cuz i didn't want to go through the ''you are fireing me'' thing. so i went back to beregost, turns out she you can still get back with her at the friendly arm in BUT SHES STILL AT LEVEL 1. is this a bug?

    Wow, level 7 when recruiting Xan? I've never been much past level 2, maybe 3 if I'm a thief or bard. Yeah, at that point not only is his Moonblade not going to make up for slow mage THAC0 progression, but he's going to have absolutely dismal hp.

    All four of the new NPCs go to a meeting point if you dismiss them, Neera and Dorn to the FAI, Rasaad to Nashkel, Baeloth to the forest outside of FAI. However, if you've gone through Neera or Dorn's starter combats, they are locked at the level you encountered them at. I have this trouble with Dorn all the time, as I don't want to dismiss a party member in the transitional screen. He's always level 1 or 2 back at the FAI when I go to pick him up at 4 or 5 myself.
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