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DETAILED wild surge table?

pekirtpekirt Member Posts: 111
edited November 2013 in General Discussion (Spoiler Warning!)
Hi everyone,

There are many tables available for wild surge rolls, such as the one in the manual or at http://www.planetbaldursgate.com/bg2/character/classes/tables/wildsurge.shtml . What I'm looking for is a DETAILED table. In addition to the columns shown in the links (d100 Roll | Description) it should also include a column for the notification shown on screen and a detailed explanation, if required.

For example:

d100 | Explanation | Text on screen | Detailed explanation
------------------------------------------------------
67 | Target strengthened | Wild Surge: Strengthened | Casts Strength as a 5th level divine caster on target

(I just made the last part up, as I don't know what's going on.)

Is there such a table out there?

Thanks a lot. :)

PS: A lot of the tables in the manuals could do with a bit more detail, but that's another topic...
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  • pekirtpekirt Member Posts: 111
    Let's say such a table doesn't exist... If I want to make one myself, how hard would it be?

    I can probably do it if it's not more complex/time consuming than:

    * Install NearInfinity or DLTCEP
    * Open such-and such game file
    * Read off spell/effect values

    Which file should I look at, if I want to do this?

    Can I post my result here, or is it some super-duper-copyrighted-material?

    @Dee , whom should I invoke to ask these questions?

    Thanks. :)

    PS: I'm not a n00b in (A)D&D or BG. I can do very basic programming (I know just enough to write my numerical solution codes in f77/c++/python). However, I haven't used DLTCEP or NE before.
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    I tried to look for it before in NearInfinity and couldn't find it. Unless it's changed in BG2EE I think it's hardcoded. So I would appreciate this information as well.
  • JalilyJalily Member Posts: 4,681
    wildmag.2DA

    Go ahead and post results. :)
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    Thank you! I could write it up for BGEE but I don't have BG2EE yet so it's probably best @pekirt do it :)
  • pekirtpekirt Member Posts: 111
    @Jalily , @nano , thanks. :)

    I did a quick scan before taking off to work today, and it seems I've got my work cut out for me. For example: SPWM107.SPL, which is the result of roll 7 and changes the gender of the caster, has the spell name "Squirrels". Fun, eh? ;)

    I don't have time to do this in one sitting. I'll devote an hour or so in the evenings (GMT+2) and post my progress below.

    Now, off to work. :/
  • pekirtpekirt Member Posts: 111
    edited November 2013
    So I'm looking in the wildmag.2da file. In place of some spell results, there's an asterisk.

    Example: 

    5          SPWM105    	318        
    6          *         319        
    7          SPWM107    	320
    The first colum would be the d100 result, the second the spell effect used (referring to SPWM1xx.spl file I assume), the third is the text displayed I'd think. Now obviously the "*" here stands for SPWM106. But, how does the code know that?

    Anyhow, I'll assume the obvious and try to compile all spell effects and texts.

    EDIT: I feel like reinventing the wheel when everybody's riding around in hovercars, but if you gotta learn, you gotta start somewhere. ;) I just found out about http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~jedwin/baldur.html and http://iesdp.com/ , not to mention http://www.idi.ntnu.no/~joh/ni/types.html . Fun. :D

    EDIT 2: I think I've got the answer to the asterisk question. The second row in a 2DA file is supposed to reference the default value to be used. The second row also has an asterisk, so I'd guess it refers to a parameter passed. What parameter would you pass? Why, the spell that caused the wild surge, of course! I'd say the * rows represent the original spell going off, but in a changed way (the target changes, for example). I'm just guessing though... If I'm right, then the wild surge table in the link http://www.planetbaldursgate.com/bg2/character/classes/tables/wildsurge.shtml is wrong.
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  • pekirtpekirt Member Posts: 111
    edited November 2013
    So, here's the result of today's work (and I also spent some time learning about IE). These are just the on-screen texts for the various effects. I'll start looking up the actual effects tomorrow.

    This was just 100 look-up/copy-pastes, so I was too lazy to write a script for it... But I'll also write a sed/awk bash script later... Unless somebody already has it? @Jalily ?

    Also... Say I want to change only a few strrefs in dialog.tlk. For example, I want STTREF 340 (roll result 14) to read as "Caster Held" as opposed to "Held". Editing dialog.tlk and putting it in the override folder would be one solution, but a bad solution. Is there another way?

    EDIT: Just a little bit of digging in the SPWMxxx.SPL files... Still trying to understand which parameter does what in the code. (They are usually documented, but the name doesn't necessarily match the effect.)


    2DA V1.0
    *
    			SPELL		STRREF			DIALOG.TLK STRING					SPELL EFFECT						SPELL TARGET		DURATION
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    1			SPWM102		315				Wild color changes					Set color glow pulse				Caster				60
    2			SPWM102		315				Wild color changes					Set color glow pulse				Caster				60
    3			SPWM103		316				Squirrels... Everywhere 			Summon creature						Living actor		120
    											squirrels!
    4			SPWM104		317				I'm so itchy!						Increase attack speed factor(-2)	Living actor		60
    																			Increase casting speed factor(-2)
    5			SPWM105		318				It's so bright!						Set color glow pulse				Caster				60
    6			*			319				Area effect							????????????						??????				???
    7			SPWM107		320				Sex change							Change gender						Living actor		600
    8			SPWM108		321				Color change						Set color							Caster				60
    9			SPWM109		332				Explosion?							Play visual effect					Self				0
    10			SPWM110		332				Explosion?							Lightning effects					Caster				0
    																			Play damage animation									60
    11			SPWM111		334				Entangled							(as per the spell)					??Caster??			60
    12			SPWM112		335				Slowed								Slow								Caster				60
    13			SPWM113		339				Polymorphed							Polymorph other (to spirit wolf)	Living actor		70
    14			SPWM114		340				Held								Hold creature						Living actor		70
    15			SPWM115		349				Hastened							Haste								Caster				60
    16			SPWM183		351				Polymorphed							Polymorph other (to squirrel)		Living actor		40
    17			SPWM117		359				Gold Destroyed!
    18			SPWM118		360				Weakened
    19			SPWI523		378				Burst
    20			SPWM120		381				Legs... so... heavy.
    21			*			382				Caster also targeted
    22			SPWM122		384				Held
    23			SPWM123		388				Fear
    24			*			389				Roll twice more
    25			SPWM125		390				Area explored
    26			SPWM126		391				Globe of Invulnerability
    27			SPPR211		393				Silence
    28			SPWM128		395				Dizzy
    29			SPWI206		396				Invisible
    30			SPWM130		397				Pretty sparkles
    31			*			398				Caster becomes target
    32			SPWI206		401				Invisible
    33			SPWI105		402				Colors!
    34			SPWM134		405				I've always said that bird 
    											magic is the most difficult.
    35			*			407				Shouldn't this spell do 
    											something?
    36			SPWM136		408				Gems!
    37			SPPR207		417				Berries in my pocket.
    38			SPPR207		417				Berries in my pocket.
    39			*			418				Projectile changed
    40			SPWM141		420				What's this in my pocket?
    41			SPWM141		420				What's this in my pocket?
    42			SPWM142		421				Combat ready!
    43			SPWM142		421				Combat ready!
    44			SPWM145		454				*hiccup*... *hic*...
    45			SPWM145		454				*hiccup*... *hic*...
    46			*			389				Roll twice more
    47			SPWM113		809				Polymorphed
    48			*			820				Oops, wrong target.
    49			*			834				I feel refreshed.
    50			SPWI407		846				Monsters summoned
    51			*			854				Is that snow?
    52			SPWM155		875				What's with the noise?
    53			SPWM153		867				Double Hit Points
    54			SPWM154		874				Oops, a gate... Is that a pit 
    											fiend?!
    55			SPWM155		875				What's with the noise?
    56			*			876				Duration halved
    57			SPWM157		877				Swirly things
    58			*			878				Projectile speed halved
    59			SPWM159		890				Weapons glow
    60			*			913				No Save
    61			SPWM114		915				Held
    62			SPWM162		917				Detect magic
    63			*			931				Roll 4 more times!
    64			SPWM164		1446			Slowed
    65			*			1450			Oops, wrong spell.
    66			SPWI308		1451			Lightning bolt.
    67			SPWM167		1452			Strengthened
    68			SPWM168		1453			Heal
    69			SPWM111		1454			Entangle
    70			SPWM118		1462			Weakened
    71			SPWI304		1465			Fireball
    72			SPWI604		1466			Turned to Stone
    73			*			1467			Spell cast and I feel 
    											refreshed.
    74			SPWM168		1469			Heal
    75			SPWM128		1470			Dizzy
    76			SPWI523		1471			Burst
    77			SPWM122		1473			Held
    78			SPWM178		1474			Blinded
    79			SPWM179		1476			Charmed
    80			SPWM136		1478			Gems!
    81			SPWM120		1480			My legs! What have you done?
    82			SPWM141		1481			What's in my pack?
    83			SPPR211		1483			Silence
    84			SPPR211		1483			Silence
    85			SPWM107		1484			Sex change
    86			SPWM186		1487			Explosion?
    87			SPWM187		8694			Stinking cloud
    88			SPWM188		8695			COW!
    89			SPWM128		1470			Dizzy
    90			*			8707			Area effect
    91			SPWM191		8795			Itchy
    92			SPWM153		8800			Hit Points doubled
    93			SPWM122		8823			Held
    94			SPWM115		8825			Hastened
    95			SPWM199		8827			My gold!
    96			*			8899			Spell cast twice
    97			*			8830			Spell cast, +4 save
    98			SPWM198		8841			Color change
    99			*			8854			Spell cast at double level
    100			*			8829			Spell cast normally
    9B			*			322				What was that? Over there!

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  • pekirtpekirt Member Posts: 111
    edited November 2013
    And here's the zip file, as the < pre > tag can't handle long lines well:

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