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Surviving the Black Pits 2 Ambush. (Insane Difficulty Solo)

shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
edited December 2013 in General Discussion (Spoiler Warning!)
Just completed TOB. Other than the bugs I really enjoyed the new NPCs and the new enhancements. Afterwards, I loaded up The Black Pits 2 to give it a try..... and you guessed it, the pre-made team got obliterated by the ambush. After I tried several times I gave up... Seems like there is no way to avoid the capture...

So I decided to import my charname from TOB to avenge them.. It's a Legit character with gears carried over from TOB.


Solo playthrough vs Winged + gang (insane difficulty)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuJ1kFrDsBA

Consider this video as to what might have happened if Winged and her gang decided to mess up with Charname instead.
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  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    Ok... I haven't tried BP 2 yet... but surely you are supposed to do it with a party equivalent to beginning of SoA and not an uber geared ToB endgame "fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse" badass? And if so, whether your character is 'legit' or not is rather irrelevant.

    If Insane is too hard, why not try a lower setting and play 'as intended'?

    Apologies if I am spewing nonsense, I haven't actually played BP 2 yet.
  • shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2013
    It's alright man. I can see that you are a bit clueless, but I will keep the spoiler minimum. But you should really give it a try. Perhaps, check back on this video after you have an idea on what's going on. FYI, you are not supposed to survive the ambush.
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  • PantalionPantalion Member Posts: 2,137
    Nice! I love the lack of railroading there.
  • GemHoundGemHound Member Posts: 801
    Lol, the Beamdog team definitely knows the community. It is nice to know that they added a whole conversation should you actually manage to defeat the Winged and her goons.
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    shixun said:

    It's alright man. I can see that you are a bit clueless, but I will keep the spoiler minimum. But you should really give it a try. Perhaps, check back on this video after you have an idea on what's going on. FYI, you are not supposed to survive the ambush.

    Ah ok... fair enough, I'll stay away from this thread to avoid spoilers then.
  • GoturalGotural Member Posts: 1,229
    edited December 2013
    Hum very interesting ! I tried myself earlier and was completely unable to finish the fight. Each time i was dealing with them very easely but ended being struck with an imba no save spell that knock me incouscious instantly and led me to my capture.

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you kill the Winged first in a time stop, nice one !
  • KaltzorKaltzor Member Posts: 1,050
    Winged does kill instantly without a saving throw or anything, it takes the fun out of the fight with the group really...
  • shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2013
    Gotural said:

    Hum very interesting ! I tried myself earlier and was completely unable to finish the fight. Each time i was dealing with them very easely but ended being struck with an imba no save spell that knock me incouscious instantly and led me to my capture.

    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that you kill the Winged first in a time stop, nice one !

    Yep, that's why I had to take out Winged first... She's a real pain when you solo... The spell she cast instantly captures the player and there is no resistance or save.... = ( Afterwards it's all about carefully debuffing the goons and taking them out one by one.

    Like what others already pointed out, I think Beamdog foresaw the community to treat surviving this fight as a challenge. After all, they did implement the scripts in case the players won. I am just glad this video is insightful to other players. :)
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    Cool, I like it.
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    Well fought! Looks pretty challenging even with a super character.
  • CherudekCherudek Member Posts: 73
    edited December 2013
    The innkeeper's comments are hilarious.

    Just did it with my endgame kensai>mage, timestop seems indeed crucial to get rid of the Winged. I wonder if there is any way to win without that spell?
  • FlashburnFlashburn Member Posts: 1,847
    Couldn't you bonk the enemies on the head once with the Staff of the Magi while they're frozen to dispel all of their buffs instead of using Breach? Or is Dispel Magic at level 30 not enough?
  • shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
    edited December 2013
    Actually I did tried dispelling their debuffs with staff of magi. But the problem is, it swings too slow and the chance to dispel is only at 30% if it manages to hit. Unless you are lucky you will often end up wasting your precious rounds during timestop. In addition to all that, their fire shields does insane damage in this difficulty. Once you reach below 90HP, it's game over. One of the mobs will instantly zap you with a stun and 2 shot you with a spell of their choice.

    P.S. It could be that I am just getting unlucky hits with staff of magi.
  • nanonano Member Posts: 1,632
    Oh man, Power Word Stun... how do they always know the instant I get below 90 hp?
  • shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
    nano said:

    Oh man, Power Word Stun... how do they always know the instant I get below 90 hp?

    Maybe it's logical to assume they did a couple of reloads too..... XD I am just kidding....
  • justsomeguyjustsomeguy Member Posts: 7
    I've tried a similar strategy a few times, but the winged is always able to keep casting her insta-freeze during the time stop. What's the trick? I've tried staying out of the winged's view, invisibility, etc.

    Is it casting a spell during the time stop that let's the winged cast? I don't get it.
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    Winged is immune to TS
  • GoturalGotural Member Posts: 1,229
    Winged is clearly not immune to Time Stop in the video, and she wasn't either in my last BP2 game.

    Did they change this in v1.2 ? It would be a shame that they took the time to create a unique dialog + ending in case you defeat the ambush, then change it so it becomes impossible to win.
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    Weird, I remember it being immune in my game
  • shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
    justsomeguy said:

    I've tried a similar strategy a few times, but the winged is always able to keep casting her insta-freeze during the time stop. What's the trick? I've tried staying out of the winged's view, invisibility, etc.

    Is it casting a spell during the time stop that let's the winged cast? I don't get it.


    Okay.... I think I know your problem. Winged shouldn't be able to cast during time stop. You cast your time stop out too slow... She probably already started casting spells on you so you end up getting captured. If she already starts her cast on you, time stop won't save you.

    P.S. Winged does have a contingecy at low hp to heal herself to full.
  • justsomeguyjustsomeguy Member Posts: 7
    I'm not sure how I could be casting it too slow. Robe of vecna, amulet of power, etc. I am able to get off either one spell or a bunch of hits, sometime, before the paralysis. When it hits seems to vary.

    Is there a way to get the spell off faster? Scroll vs cast from memory? Some magic item?

    Is it possible they made her immune in the latest version?
  • SpaceInvaderSpaceInvader Member Posts: 2,125
    edited June 2014
    You are ignorant, we are knowing.

    We are Harbinger.

    No, The Winged is not immune to TS.

    No, she doesn't have a contingency to heal. Simply her script make her cast it at low hp and, IIRC, she has a casting speed bonus factor. Or they gave her a faster version of the Heal spell.
    Either way she casts it very fast.
    Instantly, actually.

    A spell casted through a scroll can have an equal or slower casting speed time than a memorized spell, but never faster.

    The Winged's "insta-freeze" is casted via script.
    What you need to do is killing her before she casts it.
    This is particularly easy to do during a TS.
  • justsomeguyjustsomeguy Member Posts: 7
    Everyone keeps saying this is easy to do but it don't work for me. I tested it carefully and the winges casts the instafreeze during the 2d or 3d round of the time stop, but always before the time stop expires. Does it matter that I'm using the iPad edition?
  • shixunshixun Member Posts: 23
    Just to be safe... Can you record your gameplay so we can see what you did wrong? >_<
  • meaglothmeagloth Member Posts: 3,806
    shixun said:

    Just to be safe... Can you record your gameplay so we can see what you did wrong? >_<

    That's really hard on an iPad. You need a jailbreak, and then $5. Screenshots are very easy though. It would be great to see the to-hit log thingamajig.
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    It's scripted to ForceSpell, so it will always cast it, be sure to
    1) out of sight
    2) very fast
    and that will probably make you succeed. I killed them all with a level 30 Sorcerer, and it was pretty cheesy easy.
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