Turn the Star Wars cast into BG characters!
booinyoureyes
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So, I'm planning on watching the trilogy (original) with my brother this week. Thought of making the cast into BG characters!
Please add your own. Expanded Universe characters ARE welcome, but lets try to get the main characters from the movies first!
Luke: Jedi are kinda cool, in that I can see them as Kensai, Paladins, Fighter/Mage or even monks. In Luke's case I'd have to go Paladin. Lawful Good seems the Jedi alignment.
Han Solo: Swashbuckler! Needs little explanation, but I'd like to see other alternative choices for him. He probably began as either CN or TN but later is probably most likely CG
Leia: Bard... this will be disputed for sure, but let me explain. I'm kinda ignoring the music part, but she is a jack of all trades. Being a master diplomat and a good leader, she has the social skills that are associated with the class. She is also pretty damn good with weapons, so the decent bard thac0 would fit. She is strong in the force, but never became a full-fledged Jedi, so minor bard magic would fit. She is also kinda sneaky, as seen in the first scene of a new hope, so bard roguish abilities also match her character. Lawful Good.
Artoo: Has to be a healer of some sort, since he is so baller at fixing stuff. He's my favorite character
Chaotic Good
C3P0: Loremaster! Speaks over 5million languages! LN
Chewie: Berserkers can't use crossbows, so I'd maybe make him a Barbarian. NG
Yoda: Monk. He was awesome fighting without a lightsaber!
Obi-Wan: Kensai/Mage. Single weapon style "moonblade-like sword" with some defensive magic.
Vader: Blackguard/Fallen Paladin seems the most appropriate. His alignment develops like CG-->CN-->LE-->CG... or something...
Palpatine: LE Sorcerer. Or priest of talos. Lightning stuff.
Bobba Fett: TN Bounty Hunter
Please add many more and many Expanded Universe characters too if you are interested!
Also dispute my choices!
I'd like to see what @CrevsDaak , @belgarathmth and @Meagloth think, since they are admitted SW fans
Please add your own. Expanded Universe characters ARE welcome, but lets try to get the main characters from the movies first!
Luke: Jedi are kinda cool, in that I can see them as Kensai, Paladins, Fighter/Mage or even monks. In Luke's case I'd have to go Paladin. Lawful Good seems the Jedi alignment.
Han Solo: Swashbuckler! Needs little explanation, but I'd like to see other alternative choices for him. He probably began as either CN or TN but later is probably most likely CG
Leia: Bard... this will be disputed for sure, but let me explain. I'm kinda ignoring the music part, but she is a jack of all trades. Being a master diplomat and a good leader, she has the social skills that are associated with the class. She is also pretty damn good with weapons, so the decent bard thac0 would fit. She is strong in the force, but never became a full-fledged Jedi, so minor bard magic would fit. She is also kinda sneaky, as seen in the first scene of a new hope, so bard roguish abilities also match her character. Lawful Good.
Artoo: Has to be a healer of some sort, since he is so baller at fixing stuff. He's my favorite character
Chaotic GoodC3P0: Loremaster! Speaks over 5million languages! LN
Chewie: Berserkers can't use crossbows, so I'd maybe make him a Barbarian. NG
Yoda: Monk. He was awesome fighting without a lightsaber!
Obi-Wan: Kensai/Mage. Single weapon style "moonblade-like sword" with some defensive magic.
Vader: Blackguard/Fallen Paladin seems the most appropriate. His alignment develops like CG-->CN-->LE-->CG... or something...
Palpatine: LE Sorcerer. Or priest of talos. Lightning stuff.
Bobba Fett: TN Bounty Hunter
Please add many more and many Expanded Universe characters too if you are interested!
Also dispute my choices!
I'd like to see what @CrevsDaak , @belgarathmth and @Meagloth think, since they are admitted SW fans
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I like to interpret telekinetically thrown or dropped objects as Magic Missiles, when I'm doing a Jedi-inspired character or characters.
I also like to interpret the Force-sensitive Jedi as having the ability to multi-class. Maybe they have elven blood, (midichlorians?), making them the equivalent of half-elves, if not full elves. Yoda seems to be obviously a gnome.
Other BG spells that duplicate Jedi abilities: Cure Wounds, Charm, Confusion, Haste, Protection from Evil, Globe of Invulnerability, Spell Deflection, Chaotic Commands, many others.
My choices:
Luke Skywalker: LG Fighter-Mage.
Leia Organa: LG Fighter, dualing to Diviner. If we're sticking to the D&D rules, there's no such thing as a lawful bard - bards are supposed to be roguish, ne'er do well types. Leia's main magical talent that is actually shown in the movies several times is divination. She's also a great fighter. The only question is at exactly what point she duals to Diviner. (Let's assume a modded game that does allow dualing to specialist mage.) The first time I remember her using a divination spell is in Episode V, near the end, when she hears Luke's telepathic distress call, and knows exactly where he is. By the end of Episode VI, I'd say she's about Fighter 3/Diviner 4.
Han Solo: CN changing to CG, Swashbuckler
Chewbacca: CG Barbarian.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: This one is tough. He's seen casting a healing spell on Luke in Episode IV. It's easy to imagine that he regularly has buff spells active on himself and Luke. He is seen several times casting Charm Person. His trek around the Death Star implies Invisibility capability. He can also cast auditory illusions. He demonstrates minor telekinesis in Episodes I, II, and III. He really seems like a Cleric-Mage to me. If you think he's top-notch in light saber use, he may need to be a Fighter-Cleric-Mage. The lower levels in each class may be explained by the fact that he winds up living a very long life, but is never one of the most powerful characters. I think his alignment is NG (his breaking the rules with Anakin is what makes him not LG.)
R2D2 - N Thief. N because he's a droid. Thief because his main function is hacking computers, disarming traps (Shut down all the garbage mashers on the detention level!), and unlocking doors. He repairs machines, too, but I don't see that as healing.
C3PO - N Bard. Languages, identification, and lore. ("I am fluent in over six million forms of communication.") Remember the scene in Episode VI where he tells the Ewoks about his party's adventures to date? I don't know what else he'd be but the party bard. I'd imagine he could play musical examples from various cultures as well, although that's not shown in the movies. He seems to have no effective combat skills whatsoever, making him almost the stereotype of bards. He can sometimes talk his way out of dangerous situations, as in Jabba's Palace in Episode VI. Luke trusts him to handle the initial infiltration of Jabba's organization.
Yoda - LG gnome Fighter-Illusionist. The best good arcane caster in the series. He's also the best lightsaber fighter in the series. (Think what you will of Episodes I-III, Yoda absolutely dominates with a lightsaber in Episodes II and III.)
Anakin Skywalker - LN changing to LE, Fighter-Mage, or possibly Blackguard.
Palpatine - LE Sorcerer. The best evil arcane caster in the series. Sucks with his lightsaber, and only seen using it in desperation in Episode III.
Jabba the Hutt - CE Assassin.
Bobba Fett - CE Bounty Hunter.
Count Dooku - LE fighter-mage.
Darth Maul - CE Blackguard.
Watto - NE Thief.
@booinyoureyes, unfortunately, it looks like I'm not getting tag notifications without the new capitals in my name. Who'd have thought the tagging system was case sensitive? I'm truly sorry. I wanted to make my name more clear, not cause a bunch of trouble.
Anyhow, those are my initial picks. Discussion and friendly back-and-forth nerd debate might be fun.
hmm... maybe because i edited the post to add your names the notifications didn't come? weird. Lets try it again
@meagloth @CrevsDaak
Anyways I did read a few books in the Jedi Apprentice series, which I absolutely loved. I don't know if it's because they were genuinely good fiction writing, or if I was young enough at the time (12-14ish) that I was less critical of fictional works as I am now. I remember that I was particularly engrossed with "The Defender of the Dead" and "The Uncertain Path", which at one stage left me genuinely upset at developments in the story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Jedi_Apprentice
Anyways in this series, the young Obi-Wan Kenobi was certainly Chaotic Good, or at the very least, not Lawful. I don't know if it's considered 'canon' though.
Bobba Fett should be a Bounty Hunter/Fighter, if you saw him training in his early years, also, you can't have a Mandalorian without a Fighter counterpart.
Darth Vader is clearly a Blackguard/fallen Paladin because he was a Paladin in the past, he uses Dun Möch against Luke in Episode V, Darth Bane was a great master of this Sith fighting style, it is my personal favorite since it analyzes the opponent and tricks him, it is evil and involves great use of the force (an evil/Sith Exiled Jedi (CHARNAME in KotOR2) can use this fighting style against Darth Sion).
Jedi and Sith use robes so I don't think they are Kensai, Sith are some sort of Kensai since they have those "Resist Pain" abilities and they fight much better than Jedi (they have a different style of fight that is, well, savage and wild, they also have an arcane Sith Lightsaber Mastery greatly used in the Old Republic), Darth Sion, Darth Traya's apprentice is a Kensai from the "I don't feel the pain" type, he goes around shirtless and he looks like the Nameless One with only a few more scars. I see them as kensai/sorcerers while Jedi are like Paladin/Sorcerers (this looks like 3E...).
Some Sith Inquisitors are like Wizard Slayers/Sorcerers, and maybe some Jedi too, but they don't search to destroy the Sith if not to bring good to the galaxy.
C-3PO is clearly NG or TN, mostly LN, he resembles Xan in any point.
R2-D2 is CG/NG, he is like the party's Mage/Thief/Cleric that solves all the problems with doors and elevators.
Chewie is more a Berkserker, and they can use Crossbows, but they can't spend more than one + in them, also, as a Wookie he is a very resilient fighter that knows how to use some pole-arm weapons as well as rifles and magnetically enhanced crossbows, he is trained as a Ranger too, so maybe a ranger can fit him...
Yoda is maybe like a Monk but he could fit the Fighter/Diviner role very well, Obi-Wan is seriously a LG Fighter->Cleric, after Qui-Gon Jinn's death he changed his fighting style completely, from a fast offensive Ataru/Shii-Cho like Anakin to a high defense Soresu/Shien (and his Sokan, he always uses Sokan, even in his battle against Darth Maul to his battle against Anakin in Mustafar), but in a Clone Wars episode he was fighting against a Mandalorian Leader (Pre Vizla or his son IIRC) he used Makashi and I was like WTF!? He has surely +++ on lightsabers and ++ on SWS.
Clone Troopers Scouts are Rangers and maybe Archers, the EVO Troopers is composed by Wizard Slayers that hunt Jedi. Aurra Sing is a Jedi Hunter that does not fit into Wizard Slayer, as she was trained as a Jedi and she uses a red Lighsaber to battle Jedi, she is Force sensitive but she never completely learned how to control the Force.
Most Mandalorians are Fighters, maybe some scouts are Rangers or even some of them are Fighter/Thieves. They know how to use melee weapons and they heavily rely on they armor, but they are very deadly even without it, their armor is like a surprise box, jetpack, flamethrower, grenade launcher and hundreds more of deadly trinkets, their ranged weapons are manufactured by themselves and tend to be exaggeratedly over charged and consume energy charges very fast (and then they created almost everlasting charges, SMRT guys...).
@booinyoureyes are you going to change your image to a SW themed one in May??
Leia's probably the Aristocrat NPC class - she's not defined by her combat abilities but has had training in them.
I don't know how well a Star Wars to BG team conversion will work though. You can give Chewie a crossbow but how do you replicate blasters?
My Han Solo types usually use the bow, because I think archery suits the character type. Remember, we're converting the Star Wars characters to a medieval swords and sorcery setting, not trying to turn D&D into sci-fi.
I've always thought that Coran is like the Han Solo of BG1. In fact, young Harrison Ford could have played him quite well.
Yoshimo mostly fits the type in BG2, which is why I've always wished his story had a better outcome.
BTW, using 3rd edition rules for this can solve a lot of problems with "illegal" character class combos.
I would have said darts actually, mainly because of their attacks per round and magical darts that deal elemental damage (Dart of Frost) @CrevsDaak You got it! ArtooBooTwo may make a debut...
I have just been released from the Star Wars Re-education Facility, and after intensive 'treatment' for my condition, I have seen the light.
Star Wars 4-6 is awesome! Episodes 1-3 is a disgrace, and the Ewoks are not at all silly, they are a noble and proud warrior race who defended their homeworld valiantly.
I think a lot of people don't get that Star Wars was *meant* to be silly. It is a very family-friendly series. I think a lot of people who enjoyed it as kids take it too seriously as adults, and people who watch it as adults for the first time are under the impression that it is supposed to be something along the lines of Star Trek or the modern Battlestar Galactica.
In my opinion it is more comparable to Narnia and Harry Potter than it is to The Lord of the Rings. Perhaps, as far as "maturity" is concerned, the best parallel would be with Buffy the Vampire Slayer: a series that is completely aware of its campiness yet can still be taken seriously.
Blaster guns need a new animation and just make them deal Magical Fire damage (or Magical damamge) and use no ammo. Lightsabers also deal Magic Fire damage (or Magical damage) instead of physical damage.
Then, adding the Force's powers is nice, I'm doing so with Darth Zannah so I can play as her, I'll have to create a Wing Buffet type of spell for a Force Push ability. Then I'll add things even like Knock, Blur, Improved Haste and Cure Medium Wounds if I want to play a Jedi.
To do this I am going to create tables to give innate abilities, pretty much like what I did for @Heindrich's PCs for the Black Pits, I did not forget to add abilities like a "Sith Resist Pain" and a "Sith Lightning Shock".
On the purely imagination side of things, I find it much easier to play "Jedi" characters in the Aurora Engine. (Neverwinter Nights.) The toolset for that engine, plus the Community Expansion Pack (CEP), provide a huge array of "emitter" weapons - that is, weapons that glow with energy. You can also have any weapon have an elemental damage component to it.
Thus, with NWN's engine, you can easily have a character with any combination of Jedi-like classes, who wields a sword (or other weapon) that does electric (blue), negative (red), fire (gold), or acid (green), damage, and looks almost exactly like a lightsaber on your game screen.
You can even wear plate mail, and change it to look like a Jedi robe. (Your character still has to carry the weight of it, though.) There's an item called "Armor of Comfort" that animates in a way that resembles a Jedi Robe, gives the same armor as half plate +1, and only weighs 15 pounds (as opposed to 45 pounds for normal half plate).
I'm currently playing my half-orc cleric as a Jedi-inspired character using some of these items. In fact, I almost always play a "Jedi" when I play NWN.
There is a really cool avatar in the eekeeper called HULA Wizard that looks TOTALLY like a Sith. I recommend checking it out.
The KotOR games have lots of animations for different Lightsabers and Robes, most of my Fighting Styles knowledge comes from them, I did mot care much about that in the game, but I got interest in Lightsabers fighting styles after KotOR2 (where you could use the different fighting styles). Is that animation like Dennaton from the BP2 and like Armmunach Rilfane from the Seal Level in Watcher's Keep?
I've gave Darth Zannah a half-elf Female Mage look and gave her a modded Robe that gives her a hood and a cape, even the breastplate and the sleeves are like in SW for her
KOTOR 1's "big reveal" was the best twist I've ever seen in a game, and perfect for Star Wars.
(The details about that are a Planescape:Torment level spoiler, btw. I've never played PS:T, either. And I always appreciate and skip references to whatever the big twist is in that game, hopefully in spoiler tags, just in case I ever decide to try to get into it. It's on my computer through GoG. I just haven't been able to get psyched up about what people are trying to sell to me as the ultimate dialogue-heavy, combat-light game. I really *like* good, exciting strategic combat along with my character RPG.)
KOTOR 1 was the perfect Star Wars RPG, imo. I don't think any other attempt at making a Star Wars game that plays and feels like D&D has ever even come close.
Dang, man, now you're *really* getting me into the mood to play KOTOR again. (BTW, is there a mod now that lets you skip those annoying arcade game sequences before you can move from act to act?)
That is SO awesome!
Now, number one, why don't more people know about this, and number two, WHY is there no good Jedi equivalent in the Keeper? Does he just not LIKE good Jedi? *No fair!* Because I'll never play a Sith.
I demand equal treatment! I want a good Jedi "Hula wizard" avatar! Shoot. LOL
However, in practice, it accepts any members who have a sponsoring master, and it is comprised of sentient life beings who have the expected full spectrum of personal histories, flaws, and agendas.
That's why they regularly accept people like Anomen as padawans. (Anomen-Anakin. Is that alliterated name association a coincidence? Hmmm.)
Their one uncompromising principle is NO DARK SIDE.
Thus, padawans of various "good" and "neutral" alignments are accepted, and even the masters have huge variance along the law-chaos scale.
Thus, the Jedi Order is, as @Heindrich is fond of saying, "lawful GOOD", not "LAWFUL good", in theory, and in practice, their membership is composed of a huge swath of the alignment graph, including many examples each of lawful good, lawful neutral, true neutral, chaotic good (rare), and chaotic neutral (even rarer - very dangerous it is to try to train the unpredictable, impulsive, whimsical chaotic neutral beings of the Galaxy from turning to the Dark chaotic evil alignment).
As soon as a Force-sensitive individual "starts down the dark path" and has his or her alignment inevitably change to some variation of "evil", though, well, then, they will be Sith, or dead.
"Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny! Consume you it will! As it did Obi-wan's apprentice!" ~ Master Yoda
KotOR2 is pretty much like it, I think I played KotOR2 around 35 times, still I couldn't understand level up mechanics and points distribution.
Yeah, the Hula Wizard is Dennaton/Armunach Rilfane, looks like Palpatine with that robes but the head is like Darth Maul's. i think that Jedi can use the Mage animations, and add a robe and a Long Sword and done
Then, your toon will always look like a Jedi, no matter what armor is equipped. The limitations of this method are that you will only have the basic robe of the unequipped mage, and no animations of any better robes, and, you will not be able to cast any arcane magic if you have "mage" in your "Jedi's" BG job description while wearing "armor".
But, I'd still like to have a good Jedi version of that "Hula mage", because, that avatar makes your weapon look like a lightsaber no matter what you have equipped, and the mage avatar for say, a paladin, will still animate whatever mundane weapon you have in your hands.
I've created Darth Zannah and custom robes (black robes with some dark purple with cape and hood) and lightsaber (Two handed red lightsaber), I've created the abilities too but I've lost everything because I fixed my install *sigh*.
Oh, and I'm sorry you lost some of your work on creating custom Sith BG animations and classes. You know, you should really consider making a mod, but I would ask that you please include good Jedi versions of your work.
I'll override the fighter's ability tables with Jedi/Sith abilities and then add lightsabers, encounters, etc.
The Jedi/Sith kits will be too over powered, I'll give them lots of restrictions to avoid that but anyway they'll end up being OP.
I didn't create animations, that's too difficult... It is very messy and it takes too much time, I just used a BG2:EE one and maybe I add some re-painted things as lightsabers.
lol, literally Qui-Gon was the stupidest Jedi ever.
a. crash on this planet... what should we do? Oh, I know, bet our ENTIRE LIVES on a nine year old racing (imagine if everyone else found out he bet their entire ship...which he did not even own... on a child facing off against professional adult thugs in a dangerous "motor" sport)
b. take an apprentice against the better judgement of literally EVERY other Jedi in the entire universe
c. die.
d. before dying, have your last words be "train the boy"
e. the boy becomes Darth Vader
basically he F$%#%#$ED the entire galaxy, killed the entire Jedi Order, and gave birth to the worst tyrannical regime in the history of the universe... and then died. So he didn't even suffer the consequences of his own stupidity.
Qui-Gon Dim: Worst Jedi Ever
and to top it all off:
The best line that they left out of that video is when Watto says "What, you think you are some kind of Jedi or something?"
LOL