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Tests in hell for tear of Bhaal change my alignment to chaotic evil even though i took the good path

KorlamaqKorlamaq Member Posts: 216
This is majorly game breaking!! I always took the good path and when i placed the first tear in the door my alignment CHANGES TO CHAOTIC EVIL! dafuq? It even gave me the boni of the good path!! Anybody else having this problem? did i do something wrong without knowing it?

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  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    Mm, are you sure you didn't make a mistake?
    It is very easy to get confused in Hell's Tests.
  • Demonoid_LimewireDemonoid_Limewire Member Posts: 424
    Korlamaq said:

    This is majorly game breaking!! I always took the good path and when i placed the first tear in the door my alignment CHANGES TO CHAOTIC EVIL! dafuq? It even gave me the boni of the good path!! Anybody else having this problem? did i do something wrong without knowing it?

    First of all, its Neutral Evil. Secondly, if you are a Ranger or Paladin, you still don't loose your class. Finally, if you are not a summon familiar guy, you have nothing to worry from or become affected by this alignment change! Plus, one or two evil choices might result in better benefits, stats-wise...

    I would hapilly turn my ranger cleric neutral evil, but alas, it does not work as it should. You cannot learn the unholy spells, exclusive to evil/neutral clerics, just by using the tears to become neutral evil yourself!
  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 2,072
    It knows your heart. Gaze into yourself and see that it is true.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317

    Korlamaq said:

    This is majorly game breaking!! I always took the good path and when i placed the first tear in the door my alignment CHANGES TO CHAOTIC EVIL! dafuq? It even gave me the boni of the good path!! Anybody else having this problem? did i do something wrong without knowing it?

    First of all, its Neutral Evil. Secondly, if you are a Ranger or Paladin, you still don't loose your class. Finally, if you are not a summon familiar guy, you have nothing to worry from or become affected by this alignment change! Plus, one or two evil choices might result in better benefits, stats-wise...

    I would hapilly turn my ranger cleric neutral evil, but alas, it does not work as it should. You cannot learn the unholy spells, exclusive to evil/neutral clerics, just by using the tears to become neutral evil yourself!
    The alignment you become actually depends on what you start out with. For instance my lawful neutral character became lawful evil just now when I sacrificed a companion to get a tear. Same thing when I did it on a neutral good character (she became neutral evil). So the law/neutral/chaos side of your alignment isn't changed, just the good/neutral/evil side.

    That said (and this is directed towards the OP) are you using any mods and what was the specific trial that did this?
  • KorlamaqKorlamaq Member Posts: 216
    i checked on the internet what kind of benefits you get for each path and i put all the tears in the eyes and got all the good side benefits but my alignment still went from chaotic good to chaotic evil... can i change it back to chaotic good via EE keeper or will it have other consequences?
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    As long as your class isn't a ranger or paladin it shouldn't make any difference.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    Anyways you haven't answered my questions. What was the first tear that you did and are you using any mods?
  • CrevsDaakCrevsDaak Member Posts: 7,155
    @elminster in vanilla BG2 it always changed you to Neutral Evil, this was a nice improvement of the EE, but I think that they've broke the exploits with Spell Immunity and Hell Test's this way.
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018
    Korlamaq said:

    It even gave me the boni of the good path!!

    Dude, what kind of game are you playing? Oh, sorry...

  • fighter_mage_thieffighter_mage_thief Member Posts: 262
    edited February 2014
    Looks like the game has finally revealed your true colors.
  • KorlamaqKorlamaq Member Posts: 216

    Looks like the game has finally revealed your true colors.

    i have a different playthrough for chaotic evil :)
    elminster said:

    Anyways you haven't answered my questions. What was the first tear that you did and are you using any mods?

    sorry i must've missed that question. i started with the top left and went counter-clockwise and i don't use any mods (i did some minor EE Keeper changes though)
  • fighter_mage_thieffighter_mage_thief Member Posts: 262
    edited February 2014
    I once played a really evil character in p&p with a friend.

    I spent all of this time coming up with a highly detailed backstory about all of these evil things he did, it took me like an hour.

    With a backstory like his, he should have been some level 10 or 20 fighter.

    But he started at level 1, and, sadly, he died in his very first battle, and it was against an orc with a CR of 1 (it was 3rd edition).

    I played another really evil character with this DM (he always wanted players to be evil), and I thought that a Drow cleric was going to be pretty sweet. But due to her race, she started at level 3 instead of level 5 like everyone else, and was an utter weakling.

    She had to flee from her first battle, and I didn't bother using her past the first get-together.

    I don't know where this is going, I guess I feel like being evil is hard to back up in p&p, since often the campaigns can make it hard to be a tyrant, unless you vastly outlevel your enemies, which is usually not as interesting, at least from the point of view of most players or DMs (from my experience anyways).

    For that matter, it can be hard to be a hero sometimes too, since at any time, your character can get killed off if you make some bad choices, or at the very least get humiliated lol.

    Of course, in my other posts, I'm just joking. Weird glitch/bug.

    p.s. Speaking of trying to be a hero, I once had another player get angry at me for doing this. I guess he didn't like the idea of me stealing any of the spotlight. It all started when I randomly shot a lightning bolt at an enemy (it was actually in an encounter quite a bit like those ogres you meet at the bridge to the gnoll stronghold in BG1, but it wasn't D&D and would have been similar to like a surprise Super Kamehameha blast or something crazy). It was total overkill and quite flashy, which really bothered this other guy I was playing with.
  • KorlamaqKorlamaq Member Posts: 216
    i am so stupid... so it appears to be a big no no to kill the bigass dragon :( weird that it still gave me the benefits of the good path though
  • fighter_mage_thieffighter_mage_thief Member Posts: 262
    edited February 2014
    Korlamaq said:

    so it appears to be a big no no to kill the bigass dragon :(

    It was a rookie mistake, at least you didn't kill any puppies.
  • QuartzQuartz Member Posts: 3,853
    Honestly when a game manages to make moral choices actually difficult to call, you know they're doing a good job. Nothing to be ashamed of @Korlamaq
  • KorlamaqKorlamaq Member Posts: 216

    Korlamaq said:

    so it appears to be a big no no to kill the bigass dragon :(

    It was a rookie mistake, at least you didn't kill any puppies.

    edit: OR DID YOU?!
    of course not >.>
  • the_spyderthe_spyder Member Posts: 5,018

    I played another really evil character with this DM (he always wanted players to be evil), and I thought that a Drow cleric was going to be pretty sweet. But due to her race, she started at level 3 instead of level 5 like everyone else, and was an utter weakling.

    She had to flee from her first battle, and I didn't bother using her past the first get-together.

    I played this one campaign, joining it in the middle, as an 'Evil' wizard. Although I was 3-4 levels lower than the rest of the group, I quickly convinced them that I was the most powerful member of the group. It was all about attitude and confidence. Oh, and I pulled their bacon out of the fire on two separate occasions through 'lateral thinking'.

    I heard later on that several of the members of the group had a 'secret' meeting to see if they could take my character out. At the time, i was 6th level and the ones plotting were 9th level Barbarian and 10th level cleric. what fun.

  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited February 2014
    I tried testing it but wasn't able to repeat your results.

    So you started with the top left. That's Wraith Sarevok. You then did the genie, the selfishness trial, the fear trial, and finally the dragon? and you first noticed you getting an alignment change when exactly? (you initially said after your first trial and - which would be Wraith Sarevok - and now say it was you killing the dragon)
  • HeindrichHeindrich Member, Moderator Posts: 2,959
    Regarding the Dragon

    "Swords! Not words!"... Oh wait.
  • Demonoid_LimewireDemonoid_Limewire Member Posts: 424
    elminster said:

    Korlamaq said:

    This is majorly game breaking!! I always took the good path and when i placed the first tear in the door my alignment CHANGES TO CHAOTIC EVIL! dafuq? It even gave me the boni of the good path!! Anybody else having this problem? did i do something wrong without knowing it?

    First of all, its Neutral Evil. Secondly, if you are a Ranger or Paladin, you still don't loose your class. Finally, if you are not a summon familiar guy, you have nothing to worry from or become affected by this alignment change! Plus, one or two evil choices might result in better benefits, stats-wise...

    I would hapilly turn my ranger cleric neutral evil, but alas, it does not work as it should. You cannot learn the unholy spells, exclusive to evil/neutral clerics, just by using the tears to become neutral evil yourself!
    The alignment you become actually depends on what you start out with. For instance my lawful neutral character became lawful evil just now when I sacrificed a companion to get a tear. Same thing when I did it on a neutral good character (she became neutral evil). So the law/neutral/chaos side of your alignment isn't changed, just the good/neutral/evil side.

    That said (and this is directed towards the OP) are you using any mods and what was the specific trial that did this?
    Hmmm? I had been chaotic good. And i was turned neutral evil. I also think neutral evil is the only possible outcome, because i tried other characters that were chaotic neutral...
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited February 2014

    elminster said:

    Korlamaq said:

    This is majorly game breaking!! I always took the good path and when i placed the first tear in the door my alignment CHANGES TO CHAOTIC EVIL! dafuq? It even gave me the boni of the good path!! Anybody else having this problem? did i do something wrong without knowing it?

    First of all, its Neutral Evil. Secondly, if you are a Ranger or Paladin, you still don't loose your class. Finally, if you are not a summon familiar guy, you have nothing to worry from or become affected by this alignment change! Plus, one or two evil choices might result in better benefits, stats-wise...

    I would hapilly turn my ranger cleric neutral evil, but alas, it does not work as it should. You cannot learn the unholy spells, exclusive to evil/neutral clerics, just by using the tears to become neutral evil yourself!
    The alignment you become actually depends on what you start out with. For instance my lawful neutral character became lawful evil just now when I sacrificed a companion to get a tear. Same thing when I did it on a neutral good character (she became neutral evil). So the law/neutral/chaos side of your alignment isn't changed, just the good/neutral/evil side.

    That said (and this is directed towards the OP) are you using any mods and what was the specific trial that did this?
    Hmmm? I had been chaotic good. And i was turned neutral evil. I also think neutral evil is the only possible outcome, because i tried other characters that were chaotic neutral...
    At least in BG2EE Neutral evil is not the only possible outcome.



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  • Demonoid_LimewireDemonoid_Limewire Member Posts: 424
    elminster said:

    elminster said:

    Korlamaq said:

    This is majorly game breaking!! I always took the good path and when i placed the first tear in the door my alignment CHANGES TO CHAOTIC EVIL! dafuq? It even gave me the boni of the good path!! Anybody else having this problem? did i do something wrong without knowing it?

    First of all, its Neutral Evil. Secondly, if you are a Ranger or Paladin, you still don't loose your class. Finally, if you are not a summon familiar guy, you have nothing to worry from or become affected by this alignment change! Plus, one or two evil choices might result in better benefits, stats-wise...

    I would hapilly turn my ranger cleric neutral evil, but alas, it does not work as it should. You cannot learn the unholy spells, exclusive to evil/neutral clerics, just by using the tears to become neutral evil yourself!
    The alignment you become actually depends on what you start out with. For instance my lawful neutral character became lawful evil just now when I sacrificed a companion to get a tear. Same thing when I did it on a neutral good character (she became neutral evil). So the law/neutral/chaos side of your alignment isn't changed, just the good/neutral/evil side.

    That said (and this is directed towards the OP) are you using any mods and what was the specific trial that did this?
    Hmmm? I had been chaotic good. And i was turned neutral evil. I also think neutral evil is the only possible outcome, because i tried other characters that were chaotic neutral...
    At least in BG2EE Neutral evil is not the only possible outcome.



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    Maybe in the EE they changed it...? Strange, in the originals only outcome for me was neutral evil only...
  • ElfLadyElfLady Member Posts: 4
    edited December 2016
    When I got to the hell trials, I was chaotic good. I took the evil path on Selfishness and Pride, good on all the others. When I opened the door, my alignment changed to Chaotic Neutral. So there must be some sort of point system, at least in EE. Because apparently, even turning evil isn't guaranteed.
    Post edited by ElfLady on
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