Plantar vs Deva

abacus

I believe it's only possible t have one present at any time (right?), so which do people prefer?
Can anyone enlighten me as to their respective attributes (stats, abilities, spells, equipment, etc)?

FinneousPJ

Planetar is better.

abacus

Any particular reason?

Skaffen

Much better... though if you have a paladin it's worth taking a one or two devas

FinneousPJ

abacus said:

Any particular reason?

Yes, personal experience using both.

abacus

Helpful...

enqenq

I can't say anything for their stats (I assume they have the same), but the Planetar knows more spells than the Deva.

Corvino

Planetars have a much wider spell selection. You can completely replace your cleric with a Planetar and lose very little. Planetars also have vorpal effects on their attacks compared to Mace of Disruption effects that Devas have.

Planetars are much better overall, but Paladins can summon Devas as a special ability rather than wasting a level 7 spell slot. If you have a paladin in the party then Devas are a very solid summon at very little cost.

abacus

Thanks @Corvino.. That's pretty much what I wanted to know.

Lathlaer

Planetars have better spells, better THAC0 and resistances, are better fighters and have vorpal swords. There is a good reason why Deva is a 7th level slot while Planetar is a 9th.

Musigny

An old debate was related to the enchantment weapon they got.
Not sure about the enchantement level they have in BG2EE. Do they hit as +3 / 4 / 5 ?
The Deva may have an advantage here.

Planetars also benefit from better saving throws. It is a serious fighter with a heal spell to last longer (+ good regeneration rate).
IIRC Planetars have more APRs.

abacus

Lathlaer said:

There is a good reason why Deva is a 7th level slot while Planetar is a 9th.

Like Gate & Energy Blades?

Taear

Planetar is the next level up from a Deva. It's like having an earth elemental or a greater earth elemental.
There's no question - Planetars do everything a Deva does, but better.

Lathlaer

@abacus Well...not every spell is well designed for it's level :P

HLA are difficult to compare to normal spells — cleric gets Gate and Deva as 7th level slots and it's hardly a choice. Of course you have to wait for the Deva to reach 3 mil, but still.

@Musigny I'm not sure about Deva but I assume it's the same as Planetar. Planetar's Silver Sword hits as +3 (2d10+3 and that's also the enchantment).

Which is ridiculous considering that summoned Fire Elemental hits as +4 (even Elemental Princes hit as +3...)

abacus

Taear said:

Planetar is the next level up from a Deva. It's like having an earth elemental or a greater earth elemental.
There's no question - Planetars do everything a Deva does, but better.

I didn't know this... Thought they came from different planes/spheres or something. Thanks for the Lore.

kryptix

I think devas have the mace of disruption +2 which hits as +5.

Musigny

kryptix said:

I think devas have the mace of disruption +2 which hits as +5.

I will put it to the test.
Great against all Golems.

Taear

abacus said:

Taear said:

Planetar is the next level up from a Deva. It's like having an earth elemental or a greater earth elemental.
There's no question - Planetars do everything a Deva does, but better.

I didn't know this... Thought they came from different planes/spheres or something. Thanks for the Lore.

Deva < Planetar < Solar

I'd link you the forgotten realms wiki article about it but nowadays a Deva is just a really REALLY good Aasimar and a Planetar is a straight angel. Before they were different levels of angel heirarchy - there's some images if you look around of the three of them in the same picture looking bigger than one another.

FinneousPJ

@Taer Don't you mean it the other way, lol. Now you're saying Deva is greater than the rest...

Taear

FinneousPJ said:

@Taear Don't you mean it the other way, lol. Now you're saying Deva is greater than the rest...

Can't think what you may mean!

Arizael

I am not entirely sure about that mace of distruption thing. In BP2 neither devas nor planetar were able to harm the Ravager (while my monk was able to), so it seems that they hit only as +2 weapons.

Nuff said their casting abilities are very good. Especialy planetar with instantcast 3x revive and 3x heal

Lathlaer

@Tear He is most likely referring to mathematical symbols you used to illustrate how the celestials compare to each other in terms of power

@Arizael Yeah, from what I noticed the Planetar, when badly hurt, tends to cast Heal on herself super fast (with speed of 2 or 3 tops).

Taear

Lathlaer said:

@Taear He is most likely referring to mathematical symbols you used to illustrate how the celestials compare to each other in terms of power

Yes I know, I edited it and was making a joke.

Lathlaer

Ok, my DLTCEP is telling me that Deva's Mace of Disruption +2 (item code: DEVA) has enchantment +3.

What's interesting, I don't see Haste as equipping effect there. I have not summoned a Deva in a very long time, but is she hasted when she enters?

And well...I was wrong, apparently they are closer to each other in terms of physical combat capabilities than I thought. Planetar has one attack over Deva. Their weapons deal similar average damage (3d6+3 deva vs. 2d10+3 planetar), their stats are similar (deva has even higher Dex and Cha). I don't remember if Deva is automatically hasted so that could be winning point for Planetar (albeit a small one, since you can buff easily).

Really, apparently most of Planetar's advantage comes from spells.

bob_veng

Plantetars casting heal is instantaneous.
Planetars are the reason druids are better than clerics overall. The reasoning goes like this:
- you don't need two divine casting npcs but you do need one for a "normal" playthrough
-- you pick druid (jaheira for example)
--- later, you get a cleric (planetar) that is better than any cleric npc
---- you have swarms and chan and some sweet zero casting time cleric spells

Arizael

bob_veng said:

Plantetars casting heal is instantaneous.
Planetars are the reason druids are better than clerics overall. The reasoning goes like this:
- you don't need two divine casting npcs but you do need one for a "normal" playthrough
-- you pick druid (jaheira for example)
--- later, you get a cleric (planetar) that is better than any cleric npc
---- you have swarms and chan and some sweet zero casting time cleric spells

Blasphemy. My priest of helm hobit was one of the most powerful character I've ever rolled.

Lathlaer

@bob_veng
Actually, you don't want Chan. Planetar can emulate him easily (Globe of Blades). You want Sunnis, who has double Planetar's HP, is much stronger physically and casts Stoneskin

abacus

Arizael said:

bob_veng said:

Plantetars casting heal is instantaneous.
Planetars are the reason druids are better than clerics overall. The reasoning goes like this:
- you don't need two divine casting npcs but you do need one for a "normal" playthrough
-- you pick druid (jaheira for example)
--- later, you get a cleric (planetar) that is better than any cleric npc
---- you have swarms and chan and some sweet zero casting time cleric spells

Blasphemy. My priest of helm hobit was one of the most powerful character I've ever rolled.

Haha! Thread synergy... That slots nicely into my non-archetype builds thread too.
Colour me happy.

fighter_mage_thief

abacus said:

Lathlaer said:

There is a good reason why Deva is a 7th level slot while Planetar is a 9th.

Like Gate & Energy Blades?

Precisely!

I vote planetar.

Derilore

Planetar has more attacks and more spells.

3 attacks with silver sword

Deva is only 2 attacks with a mace of disruption.

Same hp, thaco and ac otherwise.

110 hp makes them all in all pretty good.

I have a hard time insisting a lvl 9 spell on the planetar, but it's worth 1 memorization. Just remember if you like to use AOE spells if the Planetar turns on you odds are it will vorpal hit one of your characters compared to the deva who isn't that hard to just kill with your party.

bob_veng

Lathlaer said:

@bob_veng
Actually, you don't want Chan. Planetar can emulate him easily (Globe of Blades). You want Sunnis, who has double Planetar's HP, is much stronger physically and casts Stoneskin

you're right, sunnis is much better, but i'm used to mentioning chan when reffering to prince summons because once i thought that he was better.