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So disappointing. Just a cash-grab?

GatamoGatamo Member Posts: 4
When I first heard about this, it said the graphics would be enhanced to a high resolution for modern gaming.
The screenshots tell me otherwise though.

The character models not only look anything but high resolution, they actually look worse than the original models.
In that era, yes Baldurs Gate had amazing visuals, but nowadays, such messy and blurring visuals are a quite terrible eyesore.

How difficult would it be to create new models or enhance the old ones, instead of just straight importing and blowing them up?


Are they trying to spend minimal amount of time and money of this project and just exploit it for maximum profit?
When they say "Enhanced Edition", they mean a re-release featuring the best user-created mods and updates over the years?

All expenses spared re-release? Another company exploiting the reputation and name of a legendary game just to milk some quick cash?
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  • DjimmyDjimmy Member Posts: 749
    Nah. come ooon... the graphics is just amazing.
  • GatamoGatamo Member Posts: 4
    And that answers what?

    lol Shut up.


    Stupid fanboy trolls, they're everywhere.
  • raywindraywind Member Posts: 289
    nothing can ruin BG even forum trolls
  • GatamoGatamo Member Posts: 4
    Djimmy said:

    Nah. come ooon... the graphics is just amazing.

    http://baldursgate.com/images/rasaad/screenshot02.jpg

    Character models are exactly the same as the original. If anything, the visuals look more blurry. But look at the jagged character models and 8-bit colours. Messy.

  • immagikmanimmagikman Member Posts: 664
    edited August 2012
    @Gatamo
    soooo lets see the quality games YOU have produced or updated.
    Critics are a dime a dozen and usually have never produced anything of their own.
    But seeing as how Beamdog is prevented from changing some things due to licensing and by the lack of source material for others, I think what we have here is lemonade from lemons....high quality lemons to be sure.
  • Space_hamsterSpace_hamster Member Posts: 950
    IMO we have only several early screenshots. Wait for the reviews, then bash away. ;)
  • ajwzajwz Member Posts: 4,122

    @Gatamo
    soooo lets see the quality games YOU have produced or updated.

    Hey, that's not exactly fair. I disagree with op, but that can't possibly work as a reason why you can criticise a game :/
  • immagikmanimmagikman Member Posts: 664
    edited August 2012
    @ajwz
    I would accept it if he had legitimate criticisms, however we all know that A. They couldnt touch the original story material and B. the source art was lost and so could not be updated. All these things were explained upfront in the FAQ's once the Forums opened up...not like it was hidden as some marketing ploy.

    If one is to criticize be legit about it and not trollish.
  • GatamoGatamo Member Posts: 4
    mch202 said:

    Gatamo said:


    The character models not only look anything but high resolution, they actually look worse than the original models.
    In that era, yes Baldurs Gate had amazing visuals, but nowadays, such messy and blurring visuals are a quite terrible eyesore.

    How difficult would it be to create new models or enhance the old ones, instead of just straight importing and blowing them up?

    The pictures are not final and not even include the new GUI they are working on, secondly for the "blurriness":

    Since many people seem to write that the screenshots are blurry... hopefully this will be fixed until the releasedate?

    Those issues were largely jpeg resizing issues. New screenshots are on the way.


    As for create new models, its an old discussion, yes it is a lot of work and they dont have not the time nor the money to create new ones, also creating new ones means they will have to create all the monsters from scratch, because you cant have good looking new NPC animation with old Monster animations.

    **Also wanted to add that NPC models are not final in the screenshots, as they going to implement some of the 1pp mod with to cooperation of Erephine
    Gatamo said:


    Are they trying to spend minimal amount of time and money of this project and just exploit it for maximum profit?
    When they say "Enhanced Edition", they mean a re-release featuring the best user-created mods and updates over the years?

    All expenses spared re-release? Another company exploiting the reputation and name of a legendary game just to milk some quick cash?

    If you were following Trent Oster's Tweets you would realize that they are working HARD on this project, they fixing the source code and creating new UI, So the game will run much smoother and clean, without reloading screen, and it will make it much easier to create new and better mods for baldurs gate.

    They are not exploiting the reputation of Baldurs Gate, thats a false accusation, they are doing something that no other company would agree to do, least to say the big companies. it took them over a year just to get the permission to this - and thats without any guarantee that this project will be successful.

    This project will make Baldur's Gate alive for the next 10 years, and you should be grateful

    Well, I don't know what a Trent Osters is and think we should reserve the "be grateful" comments for now, but thank you, at least you gave an informative post, unlike some unintelligent, forum fanboy trolls.

    As someone said, ll wait for reviews, we'll see then.
  • NWN_babaYagaNWN_babaYaga Member Posts: 732
    edited August 2012
    @Gatamo i think your avatar looks more messy then the BG models. Please upgrade yourself to an enhanced look...
  • CheesebellyCheesebelly Member Posts: 1,727
    Err... go to an oculist, I think you need one.

    And read things before you look at some poor quality, non final screenshots and stop going around insulting people will you?
  • immagikmanimmagikman Member Posts: 664
    The fact you don't know who Trent is is proof you didnt have enough information or basic background to make the claims you did.....if you are civil you get treated civily, you act like a troll you get treated like a troll.
  • BjjorickBjjorick Member Posts: 1,208
    @Gatamo

    What are graphics to a game based on story. You have your comic books (which i think of as sports games and fps games) that come out every few weeks where the story is always the same, and nothing really ever happens. Pictures are very important there. Then you have your porn mags. same with games. if the picture is blurry, you won't really say anything because most don't care to admit they read/watch/play. moving on, you have short stories and poems, where it's over quick and a good picture helps you to capture the essence of it.

    then you have your epic novels. Stories that engage you to the point that you live it, breath it, experience it. In lit, there are many examples. alot of shakesphere, ender's game was like that for me, etc etc etc. In movies, you have the orginal star wars, some say the lord of the rings, a good horror movie for me. Things that go beyond the usual and engage you to the point that you read it over and over and watch it over and over and play it over and over. Baldur's gate is that game, and the less details visually, the better.

    In a time where games had less/few graphical qualities, it was all played out in your mind. It's called imagination, and it's better then any graphics you'll ever see. Star wars was awesome, and the copy i have is the non enhanced version, because i liked the grainy graphics. when everything was clean and clear, it made me realize this world isn't real. but it's what you dn't see that matters.

    Now, say your favorite book was being rereleased in a never before hard back edition. You have 20 copies of the book, but you want to see what's new, what's changed, what's different, because you've read the book so many times that you can recite it word for word (the eyes of the dragon comes to mind). They're adding things to change it and make it improved. They're adding enough that you think it's worth your money, and the people who are doing it were some of the orginal writers. Will it have the same awesomeness it's always had? Will it be so much better that you can't go back to the way it was before? Will it be like meeting your first love again and rekinding that one special moment that lasted too brief a season?

    To say that in a story based game you're disappointed because of graphics is like reading a book and saying it was alright but it didn't have any pictures. Or going to a movie and saying it's not bad but the book was better. It's obvious, it's expected. If you're not excited, cool, that's your right, but this game is spomething special to many of us, because it represents a lost piece of our childhood, a return to a game where graphics weren't the selling point, but having fun , plot, story, character interaction, and things enjoyable that aren't obviously tangable. Life. The substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    Maybe this rant doesn't make sense, but neither is saying a game is good because of it's graphics. The more you focus on graphics, the less it is. A game that makes you feel alive and that you remember for the rest of your days......That's what this game is, and that's what the EE promises to be (for me).
  • mch202mch202 Member Posts: 1,455
    edited August 2012
    Gatamo said:



    Well, I don't know what a Trent Osters is and think we should reserve the "be grateful" comments for now, but thank you, at least you gave an informative post, unlike some unintelligent, forum fanboy trolls.

    As someone said, ll wait for reviews, we'll see then.

    Trent Oster is the founder of Beamdog.com and the one behind this project. I am enough time on this forum to tell you that they doing the best they can to make this game as good as possible.

    And waiting for reviews is fair enough and legitimate.

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  • NWN_babaYagaNWN_babaYaga Member Posts: 732
    I have my flaming club ready to bash and just wait to say... i´ll smash ye smash ye to goods.
  • immagikmanimmagikman Member Posts: 664
    @Gatamo
    The fact you don't know who Trent is is proof you didnt have enough information or basic background to make the claims you did.....if you are civil you get treated civily, you act like a troll you get treated like a troll.

    HOWEVER, I PUBLICALLY APAOLOGIZE AS I WAS TOO HARSH IN MY INITIAL REACTION.
  • DeeDee Member Posts: 10,447
    Trent was also, along with Cameron Tofer and a few of the other BG:EE team members, part of the original development team for Baldur's Gate's initial release.
  • Awong124Awong124 Member Posts: 2,643
    @Gatamo
    soooo lets see the quality games YOU have produced or updated.
    Critics are a dime a dozen and usually have never produced anything of their own.
    But seeing as how Beamdog is prevented from changing some things due to licensing and by the lack of source material for others, I think what we have here is lemonade from lemons....high quality lemons to be sure.
    I don't agree with the OP, but I have to disagree with this argument. That's like saying you can't bitch about your car having problems. Have you built a better car yourself? Obviously different people have different sets of skills to do one thing or other. As a consumer, we have the right not to buy something, and if we bought something and the product doesn't live up to what it promised, then we have a right to complain. So saying the OP has no right to complain because they can't do any better is completely invalid. Though I think that the OP is kind of annoying because they have every right not buy it instead of trolling here.
  • SchneidendSchneidend Member Posts: 3,190
    The current screenshots' poor resolution has been explained. But, even then, the colors were never 8-bit. When was the last time you PLAYED an 8-bit game, because you don't seem to remember what they actually look like.

    BG2 was able to play in 32-bit color, and I believe 16-bit color was it's lowest setting. Also, it's rather impossible for the exact same sprites to actually look "worse" than the "originals." They are the originals.

    And, no, this isn't a cash grab. If it were, there wouldn't be three new NPCs promising several hours of new quest content. The source code for the game wouldn't be getting a thorough cleaning to reduce bugs and improve modability. There wouldn't be new portraits or soundsets. There wouldn't be a zoom feature. There wouldn't be new areas, new items, and new quests. The code cleaning alone is too much of a headache for a simple cash grab.
  • NWN_babaYagaNWN_babaYaga Member Posts: 732
    well to go in a shop and say i´m not going to buy this and that is seriously silly. You have a hard time telling every shopowner you´re not buying anything and you just wanted to say it out loud...
  • immagikmanimmagikman Member Posts: 664
    edited August 2012
    I've been thinking on it, and It isn't that Im a "Fanboy" though I am that caused my initial reaction, it was the attitude and accusation in the title that pissed me off. It's the old "Entitlement" attitude or perception of it.
  • CheesebellyCheesebelly Member Posts: 1,727
    Trent Oster is also, as far as I know, one of the founders of BioWare, the company that MADE BG in the first place. But unlike BioWare's filth nowadays (sorry, but it IS true), Trent is actually doing some right in so much wrong to the video gaming industry.
  • Roller12Roller12 Member Posts: 437
    Dude, aside from the graphics there are also game mechanics and in a ad&d game these are not a low priority. Half the devs go for the graphics publishing a game full of bugs and not working skills you really want that? This will never be Crysis so i dont understand what it is you are expecting. Also think of ipad users, these are low speed devices and would not be able to handle higher-res graphics in the way they are used by the engine.

    If these guys wanted to go for a cash grab all they had to do was to basically recompile ToB with BG1 areas for iPad. Your rant is unfounded. Look into the "Fixed" subforum and see how much stuff they actually added and fixed. It will be 20bucks well spent.
  • SchneidendSchneidend Member Posts: 3,190

    Trent Oster is also, as far as I know, one of the founders of BioWare, the company that MADE BG in the first place. But unlike BioWare's filth nowadays (sorry, but it IS true), Trent is actually doing some right in so much wrong to the video gaming industry.

    Bioware hasn't done me a wrong turn from Day One to the present, but that's neither here nor there.
  • AmardarialAmardarial Member Posts: 270
    @Gatamo troll is a troll.

    When the OP doesn't even take the time to do ANY research on the project at hand, basically invalidates anything he has to say on it.

    Even worse when he starts tossing around fanboy when someone disagrees, this tells me he is either under 18 of age or extremely immature, which only future hurts any attempt at taking anything he says seriously.
  • O_BruceO_Bruce Member Posts: 2,790
    If you're dissapointed, then don't buy this game. It's really simple.
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,316
    I say no one posts in this thread anymore. Don't feed trolls. Unless its fire seeds.
  • KonabugaKonabuga Member Posts: 135
    Yeah, I'm sure Beamdog will just be swimming in dough when this is released...

    As cash-grabs go, this is probably not the greatest one. No, this is more a labor of love. We're all here because those old IE games were awesome and I don't doubt for second that the guys at Beamdog are any less passionate about these titles than we are.
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