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OlegOleg Member Posts: 8
How do you kill this thing at all?

Melee characters take more damage that is possible to heal in the same amount of time, especially when every other Belhifet hit adds disease or poison state.

Each and every offensive spell of any level is simply "ineffective" against Belfihet, defensive spells are being constantly dispelled by unremovable traps and also by Belfihet. Between these two niceties, spellcasting characters are reduced to summoning something and that is the end of it.
Even such simple things as casting "remove fear" on a panicked character do not work for some reason, which simply add another layer of frustration.
And even Shield of Lathander does not prevent damage from Belfihet. Simply fabulous.

I would be the first to admit that my party and my characters are not super balanced/optimized/whatever, but neither they are completely out of line, so I find it extremely frustrating that I basically can't do anything.

How do you solve it, guys? Do you simply skip this battle and go to HoW?

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  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    I do find this battle to be the hardest fight in the entire game, so there's no shame in having trouble. Let me share a few tricks that helped me get through.

    First, the moment the battle starts, run everyone backwards. Be careful of the traps around the room, but if you can avoid them your back few characters can get out of the radius of the dispel at the beginning of the fight, which means they can pre-buff.

    Second, kiting is your friend. Kite Belhifet while the rest of your party kills his minions.

    Third, swarm him with summons. He'll kill them quickly, but in the meantime you can run your fighters in and do some damage while Belhifet's hitting things that don't matter. If you have a druid Creeping Doom is your friend here, as the bug piles can tank him for an absurdly long time.

    Fourth, anything that makes you ignore incoming damage will let you tank him for a round or two. Stoneskin, Mirror Image, Protection from Magic Weapons, whatever.

    Other than that, just try and do as much damage to him as possible from outside his reach.
  • MrGoodkatMrGoodkat Member Posts: 167
    Do you have an archer? I just buffed my archer with Imp. Haste and used Piercing Arrows which count as +3 enchanted weapons. Killed him in no time while the rest of my party just ran around.
  • BladesBlades Member Posts: 167
    Do lower resistance spells effect him? If so, treat him like a SoA dragon and swamp him with summons while destroying his "Will to Resist" with your arcane casters. Then pummel him with spells.
  • OlegOleg Member Posts: 8
    After a good night sleep I now know what bothers me the most - this battle and Belfihet in particular feels like it does not use the same mechanics and rules as all the previous game. This triggers my OCD - everything should be by the same rules.

    Blades, no, lower resistance does not seems to work. I tried both lower resistance and pierce (and all other spells that remove resistance or battle/spell protections just in case) to no avail.
  • lunarlunar Member Posts: 3,460
    Use summons galore and have your mage attack with Mordenkainen's Sword. That should be able to hurt him with consistency. Attack spells are far too unreliable against him.
  • kensaikensai Member Posts: 228
    So tell me your party classes and levels first
  • ameliabogginsameliaboggins Member Posts: 287
    I havent tried the fight yet, but one strategy would have a main tank with as low an ac as you can make it.....eg better than -13

    add items that give slashing resistance. need at least 75% resistance and maybe higher!

    Am sure there more than this needed......dps and healing ofcourse )

    personally i would choose tankin himover kiting but thats cos am lazy!
  • JLeeJLee Member Posts: 650
    MrGoodkat said:

    Do you have an archer? I just buffed my archer with Imp. Haste and used Piercing Arrows which count as +3 enchanted weapons. Killed him in no time while the rest of my party just ran around.

    I did the same thing, but without IH. Belfihet hits hard on insane. The first time I fought him, it was a TPK within one turn. I beat him the second time by kiting him and pelting with ranged characters for what seemed an eternity. I only lost 4 characters that time :(


    Btw, where is IH in IWD? I never found it.

    IH would make life a lot easier...
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    @JLee I think Burial Island in HoW.
  • OlegOleg Member Posts: 8
    Used IE to check just how much cheating is involved.

    Belhifet has 100 fire resistance which is expected due to him being a demon. His other restances are high, but still manageable.

    He has an amulet which grants immunity to weapons of +0, +1 and +2 and to all kind of sleep/stun/panic effects.

    He has a ring which grants him complete and unquestionable immunity to ALL wizard spells and to some (most? all?) offensive spells of other classes.

    He also has a ring which ensures 1 hp minimum, and his defeat is actually scripted at less then 10 hp. Actually, his script contains some interesting things, like casting fireballs, firestorms, hold person, invisibility, summon shadow and some other, but i have a feeling that condition of this script block is botched and it will never trigger.
  • lunarlunar Member Posts: 3,460
    edited December 2014
    Oleg said:

    Used IE to check just how much cheating is involved.

    Belhifet has 100 fire resistance which is expected due to him being a demon. His other restances are high, but still manageable.

    He has an amulet which grants immunity to weapons of +0, +1 and +2 and to all kind of sleep/stun/panic effects.

    He has a ring which grants him complete and unquestionable immunity to ALL wizard spells and to some (most? all?) offensive spells of other classes.

    He also has a ring which ensures 1 hp minimum, and his defeat is actually scripted at less then 10 hp. Actually, his script contains some interesting things, like casting fireballs, firestorms, hold person, invisibility, summon shadow and some other, but i have a feeling that condition of this script block is botched and it will never trigger.

    That immunity to all mage spells is cheap. What is he, a golem? What about his attacks? His Thac0 and number of attacks? How much damage/what other effects he causes with each hit?

  • OlegOleg Member Posts: 8
    edited December 2014
    3 attacks at thac0 3, with 25 strength and a 1d10+5 sword which adds disease and poison on hit.
  • ameliabogginsameliaboggins Member Posts: 287
    edited December 2014
    `He also has a ring which ensures 1 hp minimum,`

    just like imoens belt in bg2 :)

    when i was bored/frustrated by the game i would load up a version that i tweaked for MAX fun:

    i had mazzy, with GM in katanas and Celestial Fury*, wearing imoens belt.....+maxed out str.

    with stack of oil of speed. there was very little could stand that assault!

    only really mobs that can turn to stone or disintigrate etc could kill her.

    its good to let off steam occasionally )



    *dual wielding with Blackrazor
  • FinneousPJFinneousPJ Member Posts: 6,455
    @Oleg What is your party?
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