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The classic D&D monsters are back!

ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428
Have you read the monster manual of D&D 5th edition? It features some of the 1st and 2nd edition monsters that weren't updated for the 3rd and 4th edition. Even the Flumphs and Death Knights are there.
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  • DazzuDazzu Member Posts: 950
    Death Knight is a specie of creature? Wouldn't it make more sense as a class?
  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 2,072
    It's a kind of demon, iirc, so it's not really a "species".
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    edited July 2015
    I found this description from an online 2nd edition monstrous manual. Seems like an undead to me and not a simple class choice:

    A death knight is the horrifying corruption of a paladin or lawful good warrior cursed by the gods to its terrible form as punishment for betraying the code of honor it held in life.

    A death knight resembles a hulking knight, typically taller than 6 feet and weighing more than 300 pounds. Its face is a blackened skull covered with shards of shriveled, rotting flesh. It has two tiny, glowing orange-red pinpoints for eyes. Its armor is scorched black as if it had been in a fire. The demeanor of a death knight is so terrifying that even kender have been known to become frightened.

    A death knight’s deep, chilling voice seems to echo from the depths of a bottomless cavern. A death knight converses in the language it spoke in its former life, as well as up to six additional languages.


    What a jolly fellow :)

    Edit. Typo.
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428
    edited July 2015
    Lord Soth is a death knight. Here's an example http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Death_Knight_(3.5e_Creature)
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  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 2,072
    @Wilbur - That mentions kender, and is automatically disqualified. I'm sorry.

    :P
  • FardragonFardragon Member Posts: 4,511
    Death Knight predates the Dragonlance setting. Original Fiend Folio I think.
  • WilburWilbur Member Posts: 1,173
    scriver said:

    @Wilbur - That mentions kender, and is automatically disqualified. I'm sorry.

    :P

    You lost me, but no worries :)

    Just wanted to give a general description of a death knight and that was the first one I found.
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428
    Here's the Death Knight in 5th edition.
  • ajwzajwz Member Posts: 4,122
    I don't like 5ed as a PnP sytem but it might make for a decent computer game. fingers crossed
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428
    What bothers me is that WOTC decided to not translating the manuals for the foreing market.
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870
    I don't know why... but every single time I hear/read/see/smell about Lord Soth, I'm automatically thinking of Yog-Sothoth. :wink:

    On a side note, what does the 5th Edition say about Tanar'ri? Are they still regarded as Chaos Elementals (or whatever 4th edition has cursed them with)? Or was their noble outsider race from Planescape finally reestablished?

    And more importantly, are Modrons back? Haven't seen those clockwork guys around since the good ol' AD&D second edition days.
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428
    edited July 2015
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  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428

    I don't know why... but every single time I hear/read/see/smell about Lord Soth, I'm automatically thinking of Yog-Sothoth. :wink:

    On a side note, what does the 5th Edition say about Tanar'ri? Are they still regarded as Chaos Elementals (or whatever 4th edition has cursed them with)? Or was their noble outsider race from Planescape finally reestablished?

    And more importantly, are Modrons back? Haven't seen those clockwork guys around since the good ol' AD&D second edition days.

    I don't know why... but every single time I hear/read/see/smell about Lord Soth, I'm automatically thinking of Yog-Sothoth. :wink:

    On a side note, what does the 5th Edition say about Tanar'ri? Are they still regarded as Chaos Elementals (or whatever 4th edition has cursed them with)? Or was their noble outsider race from Planescape finally reestablished?

    And more importantly, are Modrons back? Haven't seen those clockwork guys around since the good ol' AD&D second edition days.

    I don't know why... but every single time I hear/read/see/smell about Lord Soth, I'm automatically thinking of Yog-Sothoth. :wink:

    On a side note, what does the 5th Edition say about Tanar'ri? Are they still regarded as Chaos Elementals (or whatever 4th edition has cursed them with)? Or was their noble outsider race from Planescape finally reestablished?

    And more importantly, are Modrons back? Haven't seen those clockwork guys around since the good ol' AD&D second edition days.

    Yes. Modrons are back. and the demons are demons.
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428
    Here's the Flumph.
  • BelgarathMTHBelgarathMTH Member Posts: 5,653
    edited July 2015
    I will forever think of the Flumphs as monsters that people fall on to cushion their landings in Order of the Stick comics.

    http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0074.html
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,044
    Just out of curiosity, why is the death knight carrying a torch? It isn't like it needs it given its darkvision ability. Maybe it was bored? Maybe it still has vague memories of its former life and it reached for a torch when venturing into the darkened catacombs without thinking about it? Maybe it thought the adventuring party needed to see it in its glory before it killed them?
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Ah, the Flumph! The only Lawful Good monster in the Original Fiend Folio, and the only monster which can be defeated by turning it upside down! (This is actually mentioned in the text!)

    Here's the image (on the Wikipedia page): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flumph

    The things hanging down on the bottom? Not tentacles… spikes. Flumphs damaged things by floating up above them and dropping down hard. Still, only 1-8 damage (plus 1-4 Acid damage), but they were the punji stake monsters.
  • SethDavisSethDavis Member Posts: 1,812
    edited July 2015

    Just out of curiosity, why is the death knight carrying a torch?

    Good ol' Soth "died" during the Cataclysm in Dragonlance, which burnt a good portion of the world. On top of that he watched and refused to help as his mistress and his newborn burned to death under a fallen chandelier. He's got a bit of a thing for constantly reminding himself that he was a bit of an ass, so if he's not listening to musical renditions he's usually got some fire to stare into.
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428
    You can listen to Soth's story in this Counter Monkey episode.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9xj6yQIP2Q
  • SethDavisSethDavis Member Posts: 1,812
    edited July 2015
    I enjoy this guys enthusiasm, and he has a nice way of going through the points. But I don't know how he could have got so many points wrong. O_o I think he's been away from the books so long that he's forgotten most of the plot points.

    Raistlin beats Takhisis by tricking her, not fighting her

    but time is reset and he chooses not to,

    the allfather was not the actual allfather,

    the gods don't quit; someone moves the world to where they can't find it while they're distacted with the fake allfather,

    the cataclysm didn't happen because the Kingpreist wanted to wipe out evil; he already had, he moved on to wipe out neturality and had begun to wipe out non sanctioned versions of the good gods and he got nuked.

    the no gods situation lasts two books! two!

    black robes do not worship evil, it's a power balance thing. evil spells have greater costs for greater benefits and they're fine with taking evil acts for power. true evil ones usually go renegade

    red robes are not devoted to neutrality, they're not undecided. they either don't care about the usual power struggles or they want access to wider arrays of magic

    there is no "I don't wanna be seen as evil" idea with the robes. 1/3 of the council is wearing the black robes!

    most villages will chase out any wizard, white or black. In Solamnia, the land of happy knighthood, they'll just kill you outright.

    Raistlin changed to black robes (going renegade to do so) to join the bloody army of darkness to help Takhisis take over the world. And she was winning. the world was covered in people with "terrorist" stapled to their chest. pretending to be good was more likely to get you killed.

    Soth was not a servant of Takhisis, she tried to conscript him and he said "Hell no. Get someone to spend the night in my spooky castle and we'll talk." and she responded with "well... that's probably not gonna happen" then it did later

    he was already doing all the things that the ravenloft guys do to him himself in dragonlance, he even had the banshees from the beginning and gets super pissed off if anyone interrupts them. that said, I'm totally getting that book

    ... and Darth Maul's whole race kinda look like the devil
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  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,044
    SethDavis said:


    Good ol' Soth "died" during the Cataclysm in Dragonlance, which burnt a good portion of the world. On top of that he watched and refused to help as his mistress and his newborn burned to death under a fallen chandelier. He's got a bit of a thing for constantly reminding himself that he was a bit of an ass, so if he's not listening to musical renditions he's usually got some fire to stare into.

    I read the books, albeit years ago when they came out. I wonder if they reset Ravenloft with all the 5th edition stuff or did they simply forget about it? That campaign world was from back in the day when a lot of people were in to Anne Rice-style "goth" even though "gothic" has nothing to do with vampires. An interesting enough place, I suppose, but I wouldn't recommend it for your summer vacation spot.
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428

    SethDavis said:


    Good ol' Soth "died" during the Cataclysm in Dragonlance, which burnt a good portion of the world. On top of that he watched and refused to help as his mistress and his newborn burned to death under a fallen chandelier. He's got a bit of a thing for constantly reminding himself that he was a bit of an ass, so if he's not listening to musical renditions he's usually got some fire to stare into.

    I read the books, albeit years ago when they came out. I wonder if they reset Ravenloft with all the 5th edition stuff or did they simply forget about it? That campaign world was from back in the day when a lot of people were in to Anne Rice-style "goth" even though "gothic" has nothing to do with vampires. An interesting enough place, I suppose, but I wouldn't recommend it for your summer vacation spot.
    The Vampire pages in the monster manual mentions Strahd Von Zarovich and Ravenloft.
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    Ravenloft had a lot of Weird vampires, too. Like Elven vampires which sucked your dexterity, and "Vampyres" that lived on blood and were not undead. I think a I think a Malaysian vampire, the Penanggalan (Sp?) would make a horrific encounter. By day, they live like normal humans. At night, their heads and neck separates from their body (along with their entrails), and they go around sucking the blood out of people. And in the morning, their guts are so distended from the blood that they have to soak them in vinegar to get them to fit back inside their bodies.

    And Ick, gross! And generally horrifying experience...
  • MathsorcererMathsorcerer Member Posts: 3,044


    The Vampire pages in the monster manual mentions Strahd Von Zarovich and Ravenloft.

    That makes sense--popular character from a very popular module. I read that novel, as well. It wasn't bad but I know Pat Elrod in real life (well, at least I used to years ago)--we didn't like each other all that much because she only liked to be surrounded by people who fawned over her while I never fall for anyone's cult of personality.

  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428
    I also like how they turned the Kraken from a giant squid to a Chaotic Evil Eldritch Abomination.
  • ShapiroKeatsDarkMageShapiroKeatsDarkMage Member Posts: 2,428
    I have also adapted the creature from the black lagoon and the black cloud of vengeance for 5th edition. http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Gillman_(5e_Creature)
    http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Black_Cloud_of_Vengeance_(5e_Creature)
  • Amber_ScottAmber_Scott Member Posts: 513
    I was happy to see yugoloths and slaadi again (I was a big Planescape fan).
  • LadyRhianLadyRhian Member Posts: 14,694
    I like Aasimar and Tieflings back when each had a distinct look. When they gave them the "One look fits all" appearance, I didn't like that.
  • KamigoroshiKamigoroshi Member Posts: 5,870
    LadyRhian said:

    I like Aasimar and Tieflings back when each had a distinct look. When they gave them the "One look fits all" appearance, I didn't like that.

    Agreed. Though the Genasi had it just as worse when 4th edition changed them to "soul" variants, which ended up looking quite frankly like freakish supperheroes without tights and spoons... The horror!

    ...Come to think of it, what do the Aasimar Tieflings and Genasi actually look like in the 5th edition? *crosses tentacles that Tieflings&Co. are restored to their rightful Planescape appearances*
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