Why did they had against the crusader?(Spoilers)
I still do not get I know why the BG hero had against it but what did the others had? I mean you free a middle to high rank devil big deal Ferun had gods that wreaked havoc why would would devils be such a big deal?
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Portal to hell closed = no devils can invade through it
Crusaders open portal to hell = portal to hell open
Portal to hell open = devils can invade through open portal
Devil invasion = bad
It's not a very difficult train of thought to follow.
The whole crusader invasion is doomed to fail anyway, how many troops does Caelar have? A few hundred at most. Waterdeep sends 350 men to fight her, Daggerford 50, and I figure Baldur's Gate sends around 200. So the coalition expects to defeat her with around 600 men, not a very big force. Waterdeep alone has a population of over 100,000, they could raise an army of thousands if they felt truly threatened. The devils of Baator are incalculable, basically infinite in number. A few hundred crusaders vs. infinite devils is going to be a really short fight. Not to mention the fact that they are invading the first layer of hell, Avernus, the layer that is primarily used to fight the blood war. The devil army presence is going to be overwhelming, not to mention the fact that all devils have the ability to use unlimited "teleport without error" at will, so Caelar's army would get outnumbered, outmaneuvered and torn to shreds within minutes, thus leaving them free to invade through the now open portal, like they did in the past.
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Fey'ri
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Daemonfey
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Sarya_Dlardrageth
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Fey'ri_invasion_of_Evereska
Now, granted the Fey'ri deal was basically summoning demons in order to breed with them. But, despite the differences in devils and demons in D&D, opening a portal for either is a bad freakin' idea!
Granted the Baalspawn killed the devil leader but she did reached him who knows a few hundred more crusader and she could have killed him out of the thousands she had yes there where thousands outnumbering the alliance forces but not enough against the better trained and better lead army of the alliance.
Regardless the fact that only a dozen or so crusaders made it in through the portal is almost certainly the reason why they weren't swarmed with devils to begin with, they didn't have to.
And you are forgetting that Belhifet wants the "invasion" to happen. He is the mastermind behind the opening of the portal to begin with. Caelar didn't come up with this idea herself, Hefernaan is the one who told her about the portal to hell in Dragonspear Castle and helped her figure out how to open it. Hefernaan works for Belhifet so the whole point was to use her to open the portal, and it's mentioned by Daros Dragonspear that Hefernaan was very upset to learn that Caelar's blood wasn't divine enough to open the portal, that's why they had to bring in the Bhaalspawn.
Since Belhifet was behind everything he would have been more than prepared to handle anything Caelar has, she is just a stupid pawn in the whole game anyway. Belhifet played her like a harp from hell and tricked her into opening the portal for him so he could invade, the same plot he had back in Icewind Dale. As Belhifet's servant Trix says, he was to ensure that Caelar made it to him (mostly) alone. Because Belhifet wants to break her himself, and he does just that if the Bhaalspawn doesn't interfere. In fact the whole reason why there wasn't a devil invasion in Icewind Dale or Dragonspear Castle is because of the players, something that Belhifet couldn't predict.
There is clearly no underestimating Caelar going on. She is an idiot who has been dancing to the devils tune for years. Everything happened the way Belhifet wanted it, except for the Bhaalspawn showing up at the last minute to save the day. This clearly shows how monumentally stupid the idea of opening the portal is, it's an invasion waiting to happen, and it would have if not for the player.
And that is the thing the prime does have powerful mortals that can cut trough lesser devils with no issue and having some issues with devils his power. Hell have you seen the number of devils dead from the dozen of crusaders in hell and Caelar there where quite a number. Also the previous devil invasions where defeated quite fast the first dragonspear war was defeated before it even started the second one was stopped at Daggerford you know the city of about 500 inhabitants. Lets just say the devil armies are not terrible strong or huge for some reason for a plane that is infinite they really send quite a small number of devils in these invasions.
To simplify the devil invasions are not that big of a threat and the devils suffer more causalities then they will give.
Regardless your knowledge of realms history is lacking. The first devil invasion at Dragonspear Castle took the combined efforts of Waterdeep and Baldur's Gate, plus the famous archmage and chosen of the goddess of magic, Khelben Arunsun, to defeat. Not an easy task by any stretch of the imagination. The second Dragonspear was wasn't a devil invasion, it was a few devils leading a small army of humanoid monsters (orcs, goblins, hobgoblins and whatnot) on a rampage throughout the area. An while they were stopped AT Daggerford, that doesn't mean only Daggerford was involved in fighting them.
And yes, there weren't that many devils invading the previous times the portal was opened, but that was because the devils didn't control the portal back then and didn't know when it would open. Even devils need to prepare forces for an invasion, the previous times they didn't have enough time to mount a large invasion force. This time however a devil with a large desire for conquest (Belhifet) has been preparing for an invasion and plotting with his followers on the material plane to open the portal for him, this time it will be bad.
Even if that wasn't the case, a fricking portal to hell in your neighborhood is a big cause for concern. Farmers like to know that they won't be dragged into hell by devils. People are going to want to deal with a literal portal to hell regardless of how powerful the devil behind it is. No one wants a devil around, period.
Now I do not know if the Baalspawn was weakened in hell because well we do not know his alignment. Now a pit fiend is that strong? I mean did we not defeated a strong demon in Tales of Swordcoast?
Now I wanna explain why this is not such a big of a deal a devil invasion from hell it seems that there is only so much powerful devils that can come from the portal my guess is the strongest that can come is a pit lord. This is a very low threat so very low but when a archedevil is leading the army now that is a threat because he can summon more devils more and more and he is very strong.
He WAS USING a magical artifact in IWD though, which I already alluded to. It's rather silly that you discount the crux of my argument in favor of your total insistence that Belhifet should have been more of a badass. Really classy of you.
In my own play through I was level 10 when facing off against Belhifet but I suppose you can be lower or higher depending on how much quests you complete and whether you start with a new character or import an old one.
In the end, I'd say it's a matter of story telling and personal opinion on wherever or not the crusade had any chance of succeeding. I like to think it was perfectly fine to go along with the plan, after all; we did pull it off, in a way. The main problem with arbitrary levels in a role playing game is that it stops making any logical sense at all after a given point and is then used solely as a game mechanic instead of a narrative or descriptive device.
Looking into it from a lore perspective it does seem rather unwise to open up a portal without a decent way of closing it. Especially since any fiends from the lower planes have canonically had the desire to invade the prime material plane.
But even a level 10 of the classes I said above can do a thing if they have the right weapons as they can pierce his flesh. I remember when Drizzt meet Ertuu the first time he was about level 16 and a Balor is was about level 20 but the weapons made the difference as they could damage him.
We could add that even if the Baalspawn was level 13 at the meeting with Ertuu his weapons made the difference also the divine spells he got who might have gave him more power then a hero of that level without the divine spells as a child of Baal.
I also remember when Drizzt fought a horned devil he could have died if not for the devil letting himself be killed that is because he was not especially vulnerable to Drizzt weapons and while they where of similar levels the horned devil had more strength and was in a position to use it.
Also, it's not exactly clear that belhifet is actually a pit fiend. He's a powerful devil of some kind, but it's not clear what his exact nature is.
Why can not cause damage ....?
Could you tell me what weapons cause damage in it and what minimal spells are mandatory for qu I can reach him?
Obs .: Caelar is fighting beside me, I will be this problem?
Plus, in hindsight, we find that Caelar knows this and was only planning on using the troops as a method of providing her an opportunity to reach her uncle and free him.
Edit: Who bumped the thread from months ago? LOL, silly person.