Anyone ever Mod Jaheria into an Avenger?
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Just curious.
I'm playing a game now in TuTu where I've changed her to an Avenger, took a bit of trial and error in Shadowkeeper.
Then I just added up her points and redistributed them a bit.
Now she's got:
12 STR
14 DEX
16 CON
18 WIS
10 INT
15 CHA
I redid her proficiencies so she gets one dot in Quarter Staffs, one in Slings, and one in Two-Handed Weapons when she got a third dot through leveling up.
*This way she is using a staff like in her BG1 picture.
She can't tank, but she's a much better healer, she has a few mage spells which seem to be fairly useful...and shape-shifting will be something I'll actually want to do.
A little less CON and a little less strength and that frees up points for Wisdom...making her a much better support character instead of yet again another tank.
I also changed Khalid into a Barbarian...but he's pretty much the same as ever.
I think she's a lot more fun this way, though she'll never be a tank. Also I think it just fits her character better.
I'm playing a game now in TuTu where I've changed her to an Avenger, took a bit of trial and error in Shadowkeeper.
Then I just added up her points and redistributed them a bit.
Now she's got:
12 STR
14 DEX
16 CON
18 WIS
10 INT
15 CHA
I redid her proficiencies so she gets one dot in Quarter Staffs, one in Slings, and one in Two-Handed Weapons when she got a third dot through leveling up.
*This way she is using a staff like in her BG1 picture.
She can't tank, but she's a much better healer, she has a few mage spells which seem to be fairly useful...and shape-shifting will be something I'll actually want to do.
A little less CON and a little less strength and that frees up points for Wisdom...making her a much better support character instead of yet again another tank.
I also changed Khalid into a Barbarian...but he's pretty much the same as ever.
I think she's a lot more fun this way, though she'll never be a tank. Also I think it just fits her character better.
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Oh, you meant something else entirely...
I think she would be a druid with a couple of levels of fighter splashed in. Probably about Druid 17/Fighter 3.
One of the things I love about 2nd edition, and hate about 3rd edition, is the multi-classing rules. I think that 2nd edition really gets that right, except for the arbitrary racial restrictions.
In 3rd edition, you can't really be a good multi-class unless you want to be seriously gimped in late game, especially as a spellcaster. A Druid 10/Fighter 10 isn't a very good character - either a Druid 20 or a Fighter 20 would be much more useful and strong. On the other hand, playing "splash" characters like Mage 18/Fighter 1/Rogue 1 and the like can be fun and useful.
Still, I prefer 2nd edition for multi-classing, as you can get very strong in both classes, and will still have access to your high-level spells and abilities late game, perhaps minus no more than one or two levels.
And before you give me a defense about how it doesn't seem to fit her, remember that Drizzt has a single level of Barbarian in 3rd edition, too. Elminster is like a level 15 everything. They are pretty liberal with how they classed up all their well known NPCs in Forgotten Realms, in 3e.
edit: Looking in to some of the harper classes, specifically "Harper Agent" as per the 3e FR handbook. This strikes me as a prestige class Jaheira would likely have a level or two in. It'd progress her druid spellcasting. I'd say at least 2 levels of it because the "Lliira's Heart" ability fits her stubborn nature pretty well.
Drizzt has 1 level of Barbarian from his 10 years alone in the Underdark (and The Hunter personality). So basically whenever he goes into "the Hunter" is when he uses his berserker rage.
I just checked the Forgotten Realms wiki for Elminster but I think they gave him even more levels than he had in the 3rd ed forgotten realms book that I have lying around here somewhere. I thought he was 1/2/3/20/5 (ftr/rog/clr/wiz/archmage) but they say 2/2/3 (of Mystra)/20/5 now.
Jaheira in 3.5E would be either pure Druid or Druid/5 Nature's Warrior PrC. (d10, High BAB, advances both Wild Shape and Spellcasting but not the Animal Companion but there's the Natural Bond feat for that.)
According to Forgotten Realms wikia:
"Most members are either good/neutral-aligned rangers or bards, though many wizards and druids are also their willing allies." Not all, most.
Personally, I believe that all versions of DnD have some flaw, if not more. I like most stuff of 3.5 though I hate seeing a billion classes and prestige classes chosen for their benefits and not RP reasons, making broken builds.
But I really like the Kit sub-classes, which give you a different flavor of the same concept and making it feel more solid, instead of having to enter the Prestige Class and then choose another one.
Half-Orc Blackguards
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I just don't know which other kit would fit her better, Faldorn could be an Avenger too I suppose, but she's more of a Totemic Druid Archetype to me. Someone who'd be more into ceremony and tradition than picking a fight.
;-)
I think Jaheira's normal kit honestly fits the way I see her best. She's not just a straight druid because of her hardy fighting skills. She strikes me more as the type of person who would rather fight in her humanoid form than turn into a bear or something. I mean that from a personality standpoint. She's never struck me as a druid at all, in fact. Her concept of balance seems much more closely tied to her association with the Harpers than for any reverence for nature.
Maybe that's just me.
@sandmanCCL I can't get a handle on you. You've always got such an .. Interesting .. take on druid related topcs.
I agree, though. At least from a roleplaying standpoint, Faldorn is definitely an Avenger type. Jaheira, not so much.
But it's no fun from a gaming standpoint if you can't hit the ogre outside the FAI with Chromatic Orb at level one.
I quite liked where this 3.5 edition tangent was going ... I have often envisioned what levels some of the NPCs would have taken if there were in 3.5. Methinks Viconia would at least have a few levels in Rogue, purely for the stealth and bluff (and with a dex of 19 possibly tumble and sleight of hand), and a few levels in badass, definitely. Xzar would definitely have a few levels in Cleric, perhaps of Cyric? I'm not sure who he worships, either way this would allow him to take the prestige class True Necromancer, awesome. Garrick would definitely take a few (if not most) levels in commoner. Shar-Teel and perhaps even Faldorn and Jaheira to a lesser extent would possibly have a few levels in Barbarian, I have in the past modded Shar-Teel into a Barbarian, amazing. Minsc would definitely be predominantly Barbarian, don't care what people say about him being a Ranger, his head wound changed his personality entirely, the Ranger he once was is gone. Safana would definitely be a Rogue and Bard hybrid, with perhaps a few prestige levels in Virtuoso. I can see Skie being a Rogue with a few levels in Wizard, she fits the Thief-Acrobat prestige class well too. I can see Imoen taking a few prestige levels in Arcane Trickster too.
@ EVERYONE ELSE!!! What kind of Druid would you make Jaheria if you had to make her a straight druid? I'm just not digging her as a multi-class this time around.
kensai/mage dual
ranger/clerictalos dual
fighter/avenger multi
thief/mage multi
bard (sometimes swapped for an archer)
inquisitor
jaheira takes the fighter/avenger
You can build you own party in BG too, just start a multiplayer game and assign all PC slots to yourself.
I've modded most of the NPCs into different classes, but I've also ruled that nobody shares the exact same class or proficiencies. I've made Dynaheir an Avenger and Faldorn a Totem druid, which means for me, If I were to make J a pure druid she would have to be Shifter or plain. I like to leave Shifter open for Charname, since I love druids and I think it simulates an early slayer form for you, but I could also see J as a shifter, intentionally infecting herself just so she can more easily crush those that piss her off.
I don't really see her picking up mage spells as an Avenger, although some could argue her Harper connections could provide them. Totem druids to me means finding your spirit animal (a la "Emerald Forest"), a trait only those with patience and deep introspection can find. J strikes me as far too extroverted for that, more likely to hit you for a mistake than try to counsel you.
I see her as a strong personality, no nonsense, somewhat blinded by bias against "mainstream" thinking but otherwise crystal clear in her goals. If anything, Shifter seems the best IMO if you don't want to leave her plain.