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bg2 spoilers ahead.... ring of gaxx

Hopefully the topic title is not considered spoilery.

Does it bother anybody else that the ring of gaxx is such an evil item? I can't imagine I'm the only one who eschews it because of this but I also imagine plenty of other "good" players still use it, overlooking the fact that its empowered by death and sacrifice (presumably not willing sacrifice).

I really believe it ought to be an evil only item, like human flesh armour.

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  • magisenseimagisensei Member Posts: 316
    I agree it should be restricted given that an evil archlich made the thing. I wonder how many good aligned parties actually wear it and how many paladin's actually wear something like that.

    My idea, how about adding a curse to it - anyone can equip BUT any good aligned characters have a % to be destroyed/petrified by wearing the ring, even if they survive they permanently lose 1 point of CON, WIS and INT for being an idiot and trying to wear a ring that belongs to an archlich and even if you don't mind the loss of stats - any good aligned will randomly suffer x3 damage in battle or random poisoning and the % of being forced to changed alignment each day that the good PC wears it; paladin type classes (holy warriors) also have a % to fall from grace for wearing it - this save is done for each day that the PC wears the ring and the save get harder each time with the percentage for falling increasing);

    The curse does not show up on a regular identify spell - you actually have to wear for the curse to be felt plus the ring makes you forget that you have it so you can't remove it via remove curse unless the priest/mage is at least 5 levels higher than the PC wearing it with a 18WIS and 18INT to recognize that there is even a curse);

    For neutral aligned PCs the ring will have a % each time a neutral PC goes into battle of not working as advertised and also suffer x2 damage from all attacks and spells for X rounds of the PC (level of PC divided by 3 to determine how many rounds- at the very least 1 round).

    While evil aligned PC especially those that are CE have a % chance of automatically being possessed by Kangaxx and thereby returning him to "life" and even if you make the save there is a % every 10 days or so that Kangaxx's spirit (in the ring) will force you to attack your own party members at the least convenient time besides this there is no other side effect for evil aligned PCs for wearing the ring.

    All alignments PCs that die while wearing the ring automatically returns Kangaxx to the living (undead state) while the PC suffers a permanent death no resurrection is possible.

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    In general, I found the ring helpful at times if a bit too powerful but its nice now that in order to get it you actually have to defeat Kangaxx - no cheesy pick pocketing it and then running away or getting 2 rings using this cheesy method.

    Along these same thoughts of item restrictions, there are also a few other items that should also be restricted and have consequences for non-users for using it - specifically thieves that use UAI - like the holy avenger sword and the staff of the magi (ie artifact items that are powerful) - there should be a % that the thief that tries to use it ( with UAI) will be destroyed (with a save but also suffer a backlash of 75% damage to HP (from his total) no save and a temporary lost of 1 point of DEX, CON and INT) and also have something horribly done to him (no save) for having the audacity of using something that he should in no way be able to use.

  • marzbarzmarzbarz Member Posts: 187
    Meh its like Frodo using the ring of sauron lol...

  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    I justify it the same way I justify a good-aligned CHARNAME taking evil companions; They're a Bhaalspawn, born of an inherently evil god, meant for an evil purpose, possessing urges to do EVIL. If such a person is going to be good, it follows that they believe that someone can transcend their origin, and do good despite their inherent darkness. Thus, even an artifact like the Ring of Gaxx, though doubtlessly evil in origin, could still be used for good.

    It's all about what you do NOW, not how you started.
  • sarevok57sarevok57 Member Posts: 5,975
    or just don't identify it, so then you don't know that it's eviiiiiiiiiiil.................. :)
  • jesterdesujesterdesu Member Posts: 373
    sarevok57 said:

    or just don't identify it, so then you don't know that it's eviiiiiiiiiiil.................. :)

    Anyone that thinks its a good idea to put on kangaxx's old jewellery is generally asking for trouble but doing it without identifying seems doubly dangerous!

    I'd destroy that ring if I could.
  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    abacus said:

    Malicron said:

    I justify it the same way I justify a good-aligned CHARNAME taking evil companions; They're a Bhaalspawn, born of an inherently evil god, meant for an evil purpose, possessing urges to do EVIL. If such a person is going to be good, it follows that they believe that someone can transcend their origin, and do good despite their inherent darkness. Thus, even an artifact like the Ring of Gaxx, though doubtlessly evil in origin, could still be used for good.

    It's all about what you do NOW, not how you started.

    That's what Boromir thought... :wink:
    Yeah, my CHARNAME's a bit of an idealist...
  • doggydoggy Member Posts: 313
    I killed that evil lich fair and square. And therefore the ring belongs to me. It is mine, mine alone my precious (insert maniac laughter)

    Well I did kill the lich and my pally wants sweet gear as well. I can't see why the good aligned should not be allowed to use the ring of gaxx. When my party has just cleansed Athkatla from evil the deserve a price. And congrats you just won a cursed ring that will either kill you or stat drain you permanently is not what you long to hear after a tough battle.

    Then there should be restrictions on the staff of the magi as well and then only lawful stupid would take on the fights. Others would just skip it knowing there is nothing good to gain.
  • jesterdesujesterdesu Member Posts: 373
    @doggy

    Surely your paladin would be happy to rid the world of evil without material reward?

    The penalty I'd put on the ring would be one where anybody could wear it but it would lead to a permanent alignment shift to evil.

    A little side quest of taking it to Cromwell and having him destroy it might also be fun... It could award a lot of xp plus say a ring of protection plus 2.
  • marzbarzmarzbarz Member Posts: 187
    The paladin would use it on his companions and wait very hopefully for them to turn into an evil lich v2.0 so he can kill EVEN MORE EVIL!

    That or I imagine some of the paladin halls would have a storage/safe with these kinks of things. Think museum of things we don't use lol. Doubt some of them can be purified so maybe that's an option for others. Especially before if the item wasn't tainted with evil and manage to get corrupted. Can rp that the paly needed to use the items against evil, and due to the godlike nature/bhaal essence it wasn't technically restricted or maybe it fuels the murder part/turns them evil, hence why fallen paly can happen.
  • OtherguyOtherguy Member Posts: 157
    I don't like too many restrictions in an RPG. I think the game has struck a pretty good balance actually. Human skin armor is obviously a bit out there and thus restricted to evil, Nebs dagger is restricted but I don't really see how that one is more "evil" than ring of Kangaxx for example etc etc. There are several items in the game that are obviously evil but not restricted. This is imho perfect for an RPG. There are also some items that are restricted for no apparent reason (at least to me). The developers needed to draw a line somewhere.

    If you want to RP that your good charname won't use evil relics, just don't! If you can justify it to yourself or just don't care, feel free to use them. Use any item complicated matters somewhat imho, I feel it's another example that BG2 maybe shouldn't have reached HLA levels.
  • JarrakulJarrakul Member Posts: 2,029
    Eh, I don't really mind using an item created by evil means. Creating items by evil means is certainly bad, but by the time it gets into charname's hands, the evil's been done. Refusing to use the item isn't going to undo it. Creating the item yourself would certainly be evil, but taking it off the bloated corpse of its creator and putting it to good use? I don't see much harm in that.

    Unless, of course, the item is somehow cursed to continue to bring evil to the world as it's used. Which I think the Ring of Gaxx is canonically supposed to me.
  • mf2112mf2112 Member, Moderator Posts: 1,919
    If there was any place in the game to keep things that bring evil to the world away from people that was safer than my charname's finger I would leave it there. :D
  • marzbarzmarzbarz Member Posts: 187
    Give it to us! We loves the precious!!!

    You could put it on Boo as a belt? But then he would be too OP
  • jackjackjackjack Member Posts: 3,251
    He's clearly already far too OP.
  • MalicronMalicron Member Posts: 629
    And we wouldn't have him any other way.
  • marzbarzmarzbarz Member Posts: 187
    Heh space hamster becoming mini lich would make for an interesting boss.
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