What am I doing wrong with Kangaxx?
graffpsree
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Per posts on here I have the following:
My character - Cleric with one sunray
Minsc with Daystar +2 to cast sunray
Aerie with Quarterstaff +4, Ring of the Ram, 3 Scrolls of Melf's Minute Meteors and Sling + 5
Nalia with 3 scrolls of MMM
I can get the sunrays off and slam him with the ram which takes him down to near death, but then I can't get any hits with the staff or MMM. I can actually stay alive for quite a while, but I can't make damage stick. I just sit there until he finally kills my main character.
Help!
My character - Cleric with one sunray
Minsc with Daystar +2 to cast sunray
Aerie with Quarterstaff +4, Ring of the Ram, 3 Scrolls of Melf's Minute Meteors and Sling + 5
Nalia with 3 scrolls of MMM
I can get the sunrays off and slam him with the ram which takes him down to near death, but then I can't get any hits with the staff or MMM. I can actually stay alive for quite a while, but I can't make damage stick. I just sit there until he finally kills my main character.
Help!
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I do have protection and spell immunity. Do spells like breach or lower resistance work on his first form?
You can try to survive until his PfMWs expire, each one last 4 rounds, so 6 secs real time. Can be done easily if you have the right protections, but imo is not an efficient way to go.
let's see if there is another better way.
You say that You are able to brin him down to near death, so the 90% of the work is done, you have only to find some way to deal a little more damage.
Weapons don't work, spells don't work unless you have some high level damaging spell scroll, looted from Cowled Wizards.
Items are the key. Items are often the key to solve impossible problems in this game.
I suggest you 2 items, there are others, but those are easily available.
There is a ring that have 1 charge x day, he is not immune to its damage
This should be enough, but Demiliches are very dangerous enemies, better be prepared very well, to have chances near 100%. Reloading is possible, but it should never be the key to win a battle if you have other means, and you have them.
The helm let you create a clone of him. Create the clone just a little before you beat his first form, so no time is lost when you need him, and keep him away so there is not risk to have him dispelled (Simulacrum is immune to TS, but not to DM) or imprisoned.
Voila, you have 1 more Sunray and 1 ring more.
Now you have the power to kill almost 1 and half Kangy.
Easily done.
EDIT I noticed that the first item that I suggest is already used, the second should be enough. Also don't waste the sunrays against the first form, you need both them later.
But I agree with @Mandragora , you, my friend, are just too weak for him at the moment.
And ask yourself "can I live without that marvelous ring that I crave so much? Can I wait a little more, until the level of my party is higher and I can fight him in without using easy recipes, easy recipes that I gather from other players?
If your answer is yes you will only delay a little the battle, you don't need lev9 spells to beat him without relining so heavily on items (I assume that you are also using some very rare and OP scrolls....).
I had never used those scrolls fighting him, even when I was a very unesperienced player, and I am pride of it, it make me feel a better player. And I want that you share the pride, that also you feel a better player, is so much rewarding, much better that wear that ring knowing that you have not really deserved it.
If your answer is no, I NEED that ring, and is fine, go and kill him.
I would suggest to try the tactic, you can learn something from the battle, and then reload, do other quests and return when your party is really ready.
So he should be immune as they are both lev5.
But he is far less dangerous in that form, using potions, clerical and arcane spells to buff the party and a little of positioning should be easy to tank him until his PFmW expires, if he even use it. For breach you just need to deal enough hits and waiting is not an option as it lasts hours. MMM are perfect to deal with Breach.
Demiliches are immune to spells from level 1-8.
EDIT: Corrected.
But GM to lower his chances to save against the sunray can not be used.
With the mods that I use is not possible but in vanilla is a lot of fun having his dialogue and then the battle over in about one second, just when is supposed to become one of the hardest of SoA....
This can deceive and lead to think that lev9 is fine with them.
Another important thing to note is that some innate spells like e.g. Inquisitor's Dispel Magic are in fact "lvl 0" spells - which means they do not fall under spell level immunities AT ALL and will always work against Liches/Demiliches (level-based rolls still apply, of course).
Be warned of the floating little skull ^^ . You are lucky they patched it back to its original rather predictable targeting method (one of the earlier patches really let that skull have highly advance targeting/attacking range). I must be getting lazy these days, everytime i face Kangaxx, I choose the cheesiest way out xD (I bet those 2 above knows which way I meant xD).
haha you got it xD (I am abit shy so I usually won't let my party members see how cheesy I am
If you're talking scs spellcasting demi-liches... Then do the above plus use prot from magic on him. Before HLA levels I don't know any sure ways to kill him besides that. Prot from magic on charname he can dispel with spellstrike and his casting is very very dangerous. But you get 2 scrolls from Ribald after all and spending one to kill Kangaxx is a very good trade imho.
TLDR; berserker rage (not Minsc) or spell immunity abjuration on a capable melee fighter wielding a +4 weapon and then cast prot from magic on Kangaxx.
Imo is a legit and clever tactic as in the spell description the recepient of the spell is generically indicated as target (and nowhere is indicated that the target has to be a party member...) and being protected from spells and prevented from casting them are both expected effects.
It can trivialize some battles, I agree, but this is different matter.
hehe you missed an earlier patch where where demi-gaxx target everyone else but not the nearest target neither the protected target and his attacks covers the whole map .... that time only safe way is to use that cheesy scroll soloing it
The reason is that Kangaxx the Lich runs the following script
IF HP(Myself,1) Global("KangaxxHurt","LOCALS",0) THEN RESPONSE #100 SetGlobal("KangaxxHurt","LOCALS",1) StartDialogueNoSet([PC]) ENDIf for some reason the dialog does not start when Kangaxx is on 1 HP the script will never try again because the KangaxxHurt variable is set to 1 and will never reset (unless you do that yourself using the console: C:SetGlobal("KangaxxHurt","LOCALS",0), targeting Kangaxx required of course).
Not sure why sometimes the dialog does not start (the problem also occurs with Abazigal for example) but using the trigger HP(Myself,1) in the dialog seems a good starting point (why not use Global("KangaxxHurt","LOCALS",1)?) since Kangaxx wears the Ring of Gaxx and he might have regenerated some HP in the meantime.