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Fox News Subliminal Messaging

WardWard Member Posts: 1,305
edited November 2012 in Off-Topic
I'm Australian and I only just started watching Fox News recently to see what it was like. I just watched Hannity on Fox News and, for a few days, they have purposely flashed images during the intros and after the end of commercial breaks on most programs.

But it wasn't until now I knew what they were doing. After the ad break, they flashed the woman from the Quibids ad. Fox News posted about Quibids on their website too.

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2011/06/24/penny-auction-sites-could-cost-chunk-change/

THEN THEY FLASHED THE NISSAN LOGO. I typed in Fox News Nissan, they run a lot of news stories about Nissan.

We're in trouble as a race. I'm fucking angry.

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  • TJ_HookerTJ_Hooker Member Posts: 2,438
    edited November 2012
    edit: nevermind
  • WardWard Member Posts: 1,305
    edited November 2012
    @TJ_Hooker Last I checked subliminal advertising was illegal, unless I am wrong and you're suddenly allowed to influence the public using deceptive imagery which has been PROVEN to work.

    EDIT: My point was not that they advertised things, my point was they consistently use either hidden or sudden images which are very effective and often unchallenged by the general public. Like me, who assumed for the first few times the random images I didn't understand were unrelated.

    However, now that I see images I do recognise, I know all the things I have seen were subliminal imagery.
  • ARKdeEREHARKdeEREH Member Posts: 531
    edited November 2012
    Different country, different rules.

    I remember meeting a British/Kenyan woman a few years ago who went on a lengthy rant about how having characters consuming products from specific brands in movies in her country (not sure if she meant Kenya or the UK since she was a dual citizen) was illegal and how it was evil and class-driven because coca-cola was so much more expensive and upperclass-ish than other colas, or something. Of course, in the U.S. this is a very popular form of advertising that is most certainly not illegal, and since coca-cola costs about the same amount as bottled water, it's really not a class issue at all here.

    I'm not sure if what you're talking about is similar, but to me it sounds like it may be.
  • sandmanCCLsandmanCCL Member Posts: 1,389
    edited November 2012
    Ward said:

    @TJ_Hooker Last I checked subliminal advertising was illegal, unless I am wrong and you're suddenly allowed to influence the public using deceptive imagery which has been PROVEN to work.



    Actually that study was discredited back in the 70s, IIRC.

    I'm sort of in the mass media communications department at my school. We've discussed this at length. I'll go track down the various findings of that in my textbook if you really want, but honestly considering how far behind I am on homework, if I open it I'll probably spend 3 hours doing actual important work. :D

    Most likely, what's going on is tiny snippets of advertisements that get clipped before they go live. It happens with live programming all the time. Considering those commercials are going to be from the same ones that run during other times on the air, there you are. Reasonable explanation.

    I'm sick of how people always cry foul whenever Fox News does anything. People just look to pour on any last thing they can hold on to to hate them. I'm not a fan of them. In fact, I am cynical and jaded toward "news" because the concept that journalism still exists in a pure way ended with the internet. My point is, enough already. Just tune it out, and your life will be better for it.

    It's whatever. It's all bull and nonsense. Rather than decrying the shortcomings of the human race, just tune it out and focus on living your life. I am a firm believer in the concept of Thought Police, so when I feel like a place is thought-policing, I just ignore it. It's the only way it goes away.
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  • WardWard Member Posts: 1,305
    edited November 2012
    @ArkDereh I actually believe making characters in film/tv/music, live action or animation, use brands, should really be illegal.

    Obviously it's not and never will, but I know plenty of shows where characters use Apple products. I think it's dishonest, unnecessary, manipulative product placement.

    @sandmanCCL If it doesn't work, then answer me this: if there's nothing to hide, why dishonestly advertise in the span of a few 1/8 seconds? Clearly it does work because there'd be no reason fo doing it.

    Yes I thought of the 'clipped' theory but it's not true. I've never known a commercial to show their logo first when it comes to vehicles.

    It's not about me, I don't care much for my own sake when it comes to Fox, they don't supply info anyway, but I worry that people watch that channel and lap it up man. I can't fix the world but I can atleast ignore it, always hoping people do the same.
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  • ShinShin Member Posts: 2,344
    There is no such thing as honest advertising imo, but I agree with the OP that it's especially annoying with things like product placement and flashing single-frame images as since there's no warning, there's no possibility for the viewer to choose not to watch the ad.
  • ElzarathElzarath Member Posts: 173
    I'm never watched Fox News but man family guy is funny as and rips on em big time.. Well, from season 5 or 6 onwards anyway, whenever they left Fox
  • ARKdeEREHARKdeEREH Member Posts: 531
    I've heard a lot of people refer to them as "Faux News." From the few times I've actually watched them, it seems appropriate. I remember a time when they were reporting a drone strike in Pakistan and said that 20 "terrorists" had been killed, but every other station was saying that 20 "people" had been killed and that most of them were civilians. That really highlighted for me why they had a reputation for dishonesty and propaganda.
  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 2,072
    Ayup. These little snippets of advertising would probably be the least bad of the ways Fox News is trying to mess with our heads.
  • MoomintrollMoomintroll Member Posts: 1,498
    Charlie Brooker on news. Fox news starts at about 3:20 after the twee English madness!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_amyJCLmMY8
  • TJ_HookerTJ_Hooker Member Posts: 2,438
    @Ward I actually realized I misread your post immediately after I posted mine. I tried to edit it before anyone saw it, but I guess I wasn't fast enough.
  • TJ_HookerTJ_Hooker Member Posts: 2,438
    That being said, you do realize that the vary fact that you noticed these "flashes" of advertisement means they are not subliminal, as by definition subliminal messages are messages you are not consciously aware of?
  • elminsterelminster Member, Developer Posts: 16,317
    edited November 2012
    Elzarath said:

    I'm never watched Fox News but man family guy is funny as and rips on em big time.. Well, from season 5 or 6 onwards anyway, whenever they left Fox

    Family Guy never left Fox.
  • IlphalarIlphalar Member Posts: 68
    edited November 2012
    Shin said:

    There is no such thing as honest advertising imo, but I agree with the OP that it's especially annoying with things like product placement and flashing single-frame images as since there's no warning, there's no possibility for the viewer to choose not to watch the ad.

    At first I'd likely agree that FoxNews doesn't seem to be a responsible news channel at all but this whole issue of a subliminal advertising sounds really bogus. As I can remember from my linguistic classes (and I've been writing my MA on pragmatic linguistics) the very man who has pionieered this idea (Mr. Vicary I guess) has been proven to fabricate the results of his most famous research on the SA. Though generally you're right, advertising quite often includes bombarding the viewers with some rubbish, and unwanted pieces of information, suggestions, and presuppositions (let alone implying you dozens of bogus claims, and formulas).

    Oh, and @Ward has already said something about that too, I guess, so I'm probably a bit repetitive there ;-)
  • sandmanCCLsandmanCCL Member Posts: 1,389
    News organizations do much more insidious things, trust me. I recall a time back when Boeing was part stake holders in ABC News (or maybe it was NBC? It was one of the major 3 networks at any rate) and there was a big stink about a recall of some of their engines going on whatever the most popular passenger airplanes at the time.

    Every other news station covered it, extensively. The station partly owned by Boeing? Not a single story about it.

    Anyway, do you feel compulsed to go buy a Nissan now? If the answer is "no," chances are neither is anyone else being exposed to these snippets. And seriously I've seen this kind of thing on TV for literally my entire life. It's not subliminal. It's just that with live TV it's really difficult to transition 100% perfectly all the time. Weird little things pop up from time to time.
  • ZafiroZafiro Member Posts: 436
    edited November 2012
    Repeat after me! - I will not fall for the Okey-Doke.
  • ARKdeEREHARKdeEREH Member Posts: 531
    This subliminal messages thread and the political threads got me thinking. In many computer games the units that show up in blue in the mini-map are allied units and the ones that show up in red are the enemy units. Could this, perhaps, be a political subliminal message since those also happen to be the colors for Democrats and Republicans?

    I mean, they could have chosen two completely different colors, like green and yellow or something.
  • Kitteh_On_A_CloudKitteh_On_A_Cloud Member Posts: 1,629
    *facepalm*
  • scriverscriver Member Posts: 2,072
    Never got why the Republicans would be wearing the Red Flag anyway, given how scared they are of "socialism".
  • TJ_HookerTJ_Hooker Member Posts: 2,438
    ARKdeEREH said:

    This subliminal messages thread and the political threads got me thinking. In many computer games the units that show up in blue in the mini-map are allied units and the ones that show up in red are the enemy units. Could this, perhaps, be a political subliminal message since those also happen to be the colors for Democrats and Republicans?

    I mean, they could have chosen two completely different colors, like green and yellow or something.

    I actually think that having green be the colour of "friendlies" (or specifically your own units) is more common than blue, at least in my experience.
  • GygaxianProseGygaxianProse Member Posts: 201
    @Mortianna: although I did think that Jill Stein getting herself arrested outside the 2nd presidential debate was not wise, only engendering herself to supporters, and weakening herself among most of the rest...that being said, it's disturbing a presidential candidate was shackled to a desk for 8 hours by the SS, err, HS, for demanding to be included in the debates.
  • kamuizinkamuizin Member Posts: 3,704
    edited November 2012
    In Brazil this is happening too, i saw it 2 times in SBT channel and in GLOBO channel one time also.

    If i'm not wrong this kind of pratice is forbiden by the "falcon law" or something like this, i don't know if it's an international treaty or orientation only, but i know this kind of advertisement is forbidden, cos it not only can but it will influence anyone watching the TV.

    I researched on internet and found some references for the Federal Trade Commission and U.S. Treasury Department, Division of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, i didn't check any of them but even then the articles that i read say that those are only superficial references against the pratice.

    In Brazil, based on our customer law (the name would be something like customer regulation act in USA), it's a forbidden pratice (this law is made to recognize the overhaul customer weaker in business with companies), even if this law (act) do not explicity forbide the pratice of using subliminal advertisement in microsseconds, it would be still forbidden. The problem is that the 3 times i saw it, where late (around 2 to 4 a.m.) in breaks of not so famous TV programs, so i doubt anyone has a copy of this misuse to proof their unfair pratice.
  • theJoshFrosttheJoshFrost Member Posts: 171
    Hm... Now that you all mention it, this forum has an icon that says Vanilla in large letters at the bottom of the screen, and I just bought Vanilla ice cream today...

    THIS MUST BE STOPPED. EVERY ONE PUT ON YOUR TIN FOIL HATS AND GET TO YOUR BUNKERS.
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