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Heart of Winter - No going back?

Necroscope86Necroscope86 Member Posts: 79
Unless I'm being daft.. once you've completed HoW, can you not return to Lonelywood?
After the last part, it did say "World map updated" which I thought meant I could go back and forth.

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  • SomeSortSomeSort Member Posts: 761
    Nope, once you've completed it there's no returning, which also means no completing Trials of the Luremaster. (I believe once you complete the entire game you have an option to import your party into Trials of the Luremaster still, but to be honest, I'm not sure there.)

    The same thing happens if you complete the main game before beginning HoW-- you never get a chance to talk to Hjollder and travel to HoW naturally, so you have to import your party into it and play it as a standalone. Importing causes you to lose your gold and, due to engine limitations, any containers you might have had, (bag of holding, scroll case, etc.)

    The ideal order, then, would be:
    1) Complete the main game up until the point of no return at the end.
    2) Go to Heart of Winter.
    3) Complete Heart of Winter up until the point of no return at the end.
    4) Go to Trials of the Luremaster.
    5) Complete Trials of the Luremaster.
    6) Complete Heart of Winter.
    7) Complete the main game.
    MathsorcererJuliusBorisovShapiroKeatsDarkMage
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 1,031
    If "once you've completed it there's no returning" how do you manage steps 6 and 7?
  • SomeSortSomeSort Member Posts: 761

    If "once you've completed it there's no returning" how do you manage steps 6 and 7?

    Once you complete Trials of the Luremaster, there is no returning to the Trials of the Luremaster portion of the game. Instead, you are automatically deposited back into Heart of Winter.

    Once you complete Heart of Winter, there is no returning to the Heart of Winter portion of the game. Instead, you are automatically deposited back into the main campaign. (Since TotL is accessed through the Heart of Winter portion of the game, this necessarily locks you out of TotL for this run, as well.)

    As long as you complete the three elements in that order, (TotL > HoW > Main Campaign), you can do all three in a single playthrough without having to import your party into a new game, (losing all of your gold and containers in the process).

    If you screw up the order, it's not a huge deal. Just start a new Heart of Winter game, import your party, and play on through. The developers of IWD built it specifically to accommodate multiple playthroughs, anyway. Indeed, more than accommodating, most of the design decisions, (an unreachable XP cap, the random loot tables, the flat HP bonus on HoF mode, the lack of tradeoff-free stat boosts like BG1's infamous Tomes), actually incentivize and encourage multiple runs.
    JuliusBorisovthemazingnessGusinda
  • Necroscope86Necroscope86 Member Posts: 79
    I just teleported back to Lonelywood with cheats :P Only as I'd already slain the Wyrm so couldnt go back!
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 1,031
    @SomeSort Thanks for the explanation - I'd misunderstood what was said before.

    For some reason I never finished this, and then lost my saves. :(
    SomeSort
  • SomeSortSomeSort Member Posts: 761

    @SomeSort Thanks for the explanation - I'd misunderstood what was said before.

    For some reason I never finished this, and then lost my saves. :(

    I wish there was a "commiserate" button, because I'd hate for you to think I liked the fact you lost your saves.
    BelleSorciere
  • BelleSorciereBelleSorciere Member Posts: 1,031
    edited May 23
    SomeSort said:

    @SomeSort Thanks for the explanation - I'd misunderstood what was said before.

    For some reason I never finished this, and then lost my saves. :(

    I wish there was a "commiserate" button, because I'd hate for you to think I liked the fact you lost your saves.
    I wouldn't assume you liked that even if you didn't clarify!

    I honestly don't know what happened to them. I've kept my files relatively intact from 1994 until now, and I still have like 99% of everything I've ever had, but one of the things I don't have is the Icewind Dale saves. I lost them ages ago, around 2002-2004 or so? I was playing a few hours a month on average and they didn't make the transition to a new computer.
  • rrchristensenrrchristensen Member Posts: 271
    I'm bored out my skull playing Trials of the Luremaster. Bored, bored, booooooooooooored. OMG, it's soo boring. IWD:ee is fine, and Heart of Winter is good too, with an interesting plot and many small side-quests,
    and I've never played HoW so it's a new experience. But This is also my first time through Trials of the Luremaster, and I despise it from my bottom of my heart. Good thing I'm nearly done.

    There. I just wanted to state that for the record. This thread seemed an appropriate place to do so.
    JuliusBorisov
  • bob_vengbob_veng Member Posts: 1,679
  • SomeSortSomeSort Member Posts: 761

    I'm bored out my skull playing Trials of the Luremaster. Bored, bored, booooooooooooored. OMG, it's soo boring. IWD:ee is fine, and Heart of Winter is good too, with an interesting plot and many small side-quests,
    and I've never played HoW so it's a new experience. But This is also my first time through Trials of the Luremaster, and I despise it from my bottom of my heart. Good thing I'm nearly done.

    There. I just wanted to state that for the record. This thread seemed an appropriate place to do so.

    In fairness, it was a free add-on released by the developer with the final patch for the game.
  • subtledoctorsubtledoctor Member Posts: 7,400
    If you think of TotLM as another mini-campaign, it will be maddening. But it's really just a dungeon. It is to IWD what Durlag's Tower is to BG1, or what Watcher's Keep is to BG2.

    (Which is why, if they ever get IWD-in-EET off the ground, I hope we can divorce TotLM from how and turn it into an independent mini-adventure accessible at any time from Athkatla.)
    SomeSortrorikon
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