Soon object scaling. Woot!

IndiraLightfoot

I just watched the latest Beamdog stream, and unless I'm sorely mistaken, they mentioned that object scaling is in the pipeline. This is a bit of a dream for area builders! Woot!

Balanor

Yes, for sure. Hopefully this means no more needing 5 identical placeables for very small, small, normal, large, and extra large chests. Very nice.

shadguy

IIRC, they did mention support for just creatures at first, but it sounds like placeables may be next.

-Dave

dafena

And VFX! I REALLY hope that besides "scaling, rotating and translating" they'll add "tinteable"

IndiraLightfoot

dafena said:

And VFX! I REALLY hope that besides "scaling, rotating and translating" they'll add "tinteable"

How sweet wouldn't that be? With what your suggesting, I can tell you there will be much more variety to the modules in the making. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

TarotRedhand

This sounds great and all but have you considered what this will mean in practice? A lot of custom content uses what would be considered tiny textures by today's standards yet still manage to look great. Now think how these same assets will look when they are scaled up by a random amount. The same applies to shrinking as well (I know because I tried it). A brick wall texture becomes just a single brick.

Just something to think about.

TR

Zwerkules

Tarot, if a brick wall texture becomes just a single brick when you scale something, you must have done something wrong. The uvw co-ordinates on a shrunken placeable stay the same so a brick wall stays a brick wall and doesn't turn into a single brick.

thirdmouse

I am satisfied with the promise to keep existing custom content functional. I don't think it is reasonable to expect that they also refrain from introducing new functionality that may enable old content to be used in ways the creators did not anticipate, just like we already have prehistoric content that doesn't measure up to what designers build with today.

DerpCity

I mentioned this in the Game Mechanics suggestion thread, but seeing how they intend to add creature scaling, I'm really hoping they add a Creature Size dropdown feature in a similar vein to the Speed dropdown when editing a creature. If I scaled a badger up to be larger than the player, I'd like it to be treated as a larger size than tiny (and they're technically supposed to be considered small, but semantics) when determining AB/AC/Knockdown checks.

niv

As the one who's doing the work: We're doing creature scaling first, and the first release additionally will only be a script command. The scaling will be visual-only and will not affect combat stats or pathing (bumping, hitbox size). Those are, imo, separate concerns (SetCreatureSize(object,int), Get/SetCreaturePersonalSpace(object,float) maybe?).

I won't be touching the toolset at first, because then the feature would be delayed unreasonably and I'd rather authors can use it asap in modules and on servers. That doesn't mean it will never happen though. Being able to edit the size in the toolset too is ultimately neccessary, especially when/if placeable-related things happen too.

ActionReplay

To be fair you can already scale creatures in 1.69 up to x2 with the Invisible Models and finding the proper model appearance to use from the Tail Section; that has always been a weird hacky process however.

If this gets added as a scripting command at first how would existing creatures that are scaled using the 1.69 feature behave to that? Say I have a fully scaled Ogre Model and I use the scripting command on that fella? Would it just scale the Invisible Model itself and keep the appearance the same?

What's good with the 1.69 scaling is you can adjust the hitboxes based on the Invisible Model you're using for your creature appearance but its not always perfect so having a way to set that directly in the toolset would be ideal even if its through a scripting command at first.

ShadowM

I made a custom function that easily just scale any creature and even set it size category, you do have to add tail column to appearance.2da
//Scale creatures down to 10% and up to 200%
//1 point equals 10%
//1 = 10% of orginal size
//10 = 100% same size
//20 = 200% of orginals size
//Put the local int of Scale on creature will auto
//size that creature to the size.
//You cannot scale horse, to prevent messing with riding system (at the moment)
// If you leave 0 it will just size the creature, IE will keep it original stats
// of it original size
// 0 = No change
// 1 = CREATURE_SIZE_FINE
// 2 = CREATURE_SIZE_DIMINUTIVE
// 3 = CREATURE_SIZE_TINY
// 4 = CREATURE_SIZE_SMALL
// 5 = CREATURE_SIZE_MEDIUM
// 6 = CREATURE_SIZE_LARGE
// 7 = CREATURE_SIZE_HUGE
// 8 = CREATURE_SIZE_GARGANTUAN
// 9 = CREATURE_SIZE_COLOSSAL
void HR_ScaleCreature(object oCreature,int iScale,int iSize, int iImmobile)