Remove stat buff cap limit
Dark_Ansem
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Was it already requested to remove the +12 stat buff limit?
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If the value isn't set via the INI file, then I'd suggest the current limits be the default, for compatibility with current modules.
Hard-limit, like the one already existing (i.e. +12) that cannot be passed at all
Soft-limit, like the one only for buff from spells or from equip
just let us have access to it as a setting for modules or server.
Erasing it would cause major imbalance for all servers who are balanced around their custom rules and custom items.
As a player I love to see my stats going nonsense high. Being so dumb powerful and so on.
As a RP PW builder and DM is not so funny to have to rework all your end game because the metagame shifted so hard.
What i would like to see is different kind of stat enhancement. Like AC bonusses.
- spell-like enhancement: spell and spell-like effects
- item enhancement: worn permanent bonus
- extraordinary enhancement: like berserker rage
- racial/special enhancement: so we can have better use of subraces.
- max stat limit for every kind of enhancement
- overall stat limit.
Remove cap is just no sense and totally metagame.
In PnP effects of the same type (enhancement, inspiration, luck, morale, etc.) two bonuses of the same type doesn't stack.
If this was translated into nwn then:
- items with bonus to same ability wouldn't stack
- likewise, ability boost spells (cat's grace etc.) wouldn't stack with items
- bless wouldn't stack with aid, divine favor wouldn't stack with prayer
and more.
Two kinds of limits:
- hardcap (that can be modified, and it is already like this with NWNX, default: +12)
- softcap (that it could be the max for spells or object)
In my PW we have hardcap and softcap.
The hardcap is set to 12.
The softcap is set to 6.
The softcap is the max bonus that you can have from objects.
So if you have helmet +4dex and boots +4dex, the total bonus is 6.
This has been done because otherwise the players would have all the stats capped and many spells would be useless
However, by scripting, it is complicate to have this "system of limits" because it requires many checks (especially because you can not read easily the total amount of each effect and object for 1 stat).
It could be nice to have something similar also for skills.
This is how nwnx_fixes works right now, and I guess it is easier for developers to implement.
https://github.com/NWNX/nwnx2-linux/blob/master/plugins/fixes/nwnx2.ini
If someone doesn't want more room for design then they don't have to use it. I don't see why everyone else should always be limited by fears that unwashed powergamers are coming to destroy their fun.
With effect tagging it should be possible to use bonus stacking rules as well.
"Is there a limit in the Pnp?"
No such limits exist. Every creature has attributes based on an array of simulated 3d6's meaning that some creatures like Titan have a +42 bonus to strength. Similarly if a tiny creature becomes colossal their strength bonus from the change would be +40 and their constitution bonus would be +18 and their dex penalty would be -8. You can also stack bonuses from temporary effects so long as they're different bonuses and the source is different.
Which game got it right?
There are also instances where things are permitted that should not be permitted. For example dodge AC bonuses may not be applied to magic items ever, not even to magic items. Another problem is that spells such as Mage Armor do not provide an enhancement bonus but only enhancement bonuses are present so it incorrectly stacks with worn armor when actually it should be an alternative to worn armor.
So if you're going by the rules both did it wrong.