Do monks receive a -2 THAC0 penalty for using fists in BGEE?

Oxford_Guy

I was just reading the manuals for BGEE and under the weapon proficiency in the "Melee and Magic" guides it says that "Fighers, Rangers, Paladins, Monks and Barbarians receive a -2 penalty" for using a weapon they don't have any profiency in. Does that mean Monks get -2 THAC0 penalty for using fists? Or will there be an "Unarmed: profiency in BGEE? I've never played a monk before, but may try Rasaad out in BGEE, so am curious. Thanks!

Adul

If they haven't changed the BG2 rules, monks are automatically proficient with unarmed attacks. There was no proficiency, but they also received no penalty.

Oxford_Guy

@Adul - okay, great, that's re-assuring! BTW can monks actually *kill* with their fists, or is the enemy just knocked-out (not that it would be hard to then kill the knocked-out enemy woth a weapon at that point)

Bytebrain

@Oxford_Guy
The monk have a Stunning Attack but can also kill with his fist, and at, (much higher), levels he have an attack that forces the enemy to either save or die.
I played a monk in a PnP campaign, (we used the 3.5 edition though), and he ruled big time.

Jalily

@Oxford_Guy Monks kill with their fists and do not receive the -2 penalty when unarmed.

Oxford_Guy

Jalily said:

@Oxford_Guy Monks kill with their fists and do not receive the -2 penalty when unarmed.

@Jalily - Thanks for clarifying! :-)

Shin

Iirc only proficiencies that you can actually put proficiency points into give a penalty for the lack of them. I.e. lack of proficiency with fists, minute meteors etc don't give a penalty.

Oxford_Guy

Shin said:

Iirc only proficiencies that you can actually put proficiency points into give a penalty for the lack of them. I.e. lack of proficiency with fists, minute meteors etc don't give a penalty.

Is that really the case? I though they just gave things like Melf's Minute Meteros a +4 THAC0 to compensate for lack of proficiency, thoughI could be wrong. How do things work with the "Shillelagh" level 1 priest spell, for example? This has never been clear to me.