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Can a Lawful Neutral Bard become Lawful Evil at the Hell trials? Can a druid “fall”?

CongressmanCongressman Member Posts: 1
in Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition
I haven’t been able to find an answer to these questions.

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  • Grond0Grond0 Member Posts: 7,459
    edited July 2018
    Any character can change alignment in the Hell trials, irrespective of whether the resulting alignment would have been legal to them when creating the character. Only rangers and paladins can fall.
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 2,666
    i always prefer useing the revised hell trials section of the quest pack as it adds up all the choices not making you evil because you did one evil choice.
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    megamike15 said:

    i always prefer useing the revised hell trials section of the quest pack as it adds up all the choices not making you evil because you did one evil choice.

    Thats a big slap in the face of the themes of the game though.
  • Yulaw9460Yulaw9460 Member Posts: 634
    edited November 2018
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  • ArunsunArunsun Member Posts: 1,592
    ThacoBell said:

    megamike15 said:

    i always prefer useing the revised hell trials section of the quest pack as it adds up all the choices not making you evil because you did one evil choice.

    Thats a big slap in the face of the themes of the game though.
    Getting pissed at Sarevok and taker the anger choice can be justified even on a good or even neutral character. A Lawful stupid, low wis/int paladin could fall for the bait and not listen to reason, for instance, just like Ajantis did with you at the Windspear Hills, this would not make him or her Evil.
    I know each of them is supposed to reflect a particular sin (greed etc...) but IMHO, getting angry when provoked is not nearly as evil as getting a companion killed instead of yourself being impaired.

    But then again, this is my opinion, and it only applies to that one trial, where it's more about self control than being good or evil
  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    @Arunsun A good argument could be made that self control is one of the biggest differences between good and evil. But my main point is that you are in an axtraplanar trial literally fighting for control over your own soul. This place is DESIGNED to corrupt your soul, and the taint of Bhaal is strong. One slip up, and it takes control. It takes constant effort (eg, doing every trial as good) to keep it at bay. You give in once, and you lose. Being good is a constant conscious decision. Evil is impulsive and takes hold in a moment.
  • RaduzielRaduziel Member Posts: 4,714
    A criminal law teacher I had once told me: we all are one bad day away from becoming a criminal.
  • megamike15megamike15 Member Posts: 2,666
    from the read me regarding the revised hell trials.

    Originally intended as a small contribution to a larger project that is now never to be completed, this mod deals with the five tests that occur in the Abyss (or Gehenna, depending on whom you ask) during chapter 7. From a roleplaying standpoint, this final stage of the game seemed somewhat unsatisfying, especially for neutral characters. And the fact that a neutral protagonist had to complete all five tests in the "good" manner in order to remain neutral doesn't appear too logical, either. Therefore, this mod attempts to resolve these issues by changing the following things:
    For each of the tests there's now a "neutral" path to take, resulting in a different reward as well. Sometimes the neutral path is closer to the original evil way, sometimes to the good one, and sometimes it is completely different to either of them.
    After the last test the protagonist's alignment is judged, which can result both in a positive or negative adjustment. It's generally easier to drop down to evil than to become good, though.
    The conditions for a paladin's or ranger's loss of his class have been slightly refined, causing a higher tolerance of neutral and evil acts for the ranger. In addition, specialist clerics will now lose their kit if they stray from the alignment dictated by the respective god.


  • ThacoBellThacoBell Member Posts: 12,235
    Raduziel said:

    A criminal law teacher I had once told me: we all are one bad day away from becoming a criminal.

    I bet they were a fan of Batman. I'm pretty sure the Joker said this at least once.
  • Balrog99Balrog99 Member Posts: 7,371
    Raduziel said:

    A criminal law teacher I had once told me: we all are one bad day away from becoming a criminal.

    That reminds me of the whole premise of Breaking Bad. That was a great show!
  • RaduzielRaduziel Member Posts: 4,714
    ThacoBell said:

    Raduziel said:

    A criminal law teacher I had once told me: we all are one bad day away from becoming a criminal.

    I bet they were a fan of Batman. I'm pretty sure the Joker said this at least once.
    IDK. It was back in 2007 and the teacher was a really old person already.
    Balrog99 said:

    Raduziel said:

    A criminal law teacher I had once told me: we all are one bad day away from becoming a criminal.

    That reminds me of the whole premise of Breaking Bad. That was a great show!
    Yes, fantastic show.
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