A quick question on the Use Any Item High Level Thief Ability.
deathgeonous
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Ok, so, yes, I know that it let's you use any item, but does it negate the penalties of using said item? I mean, if you slap a set of full plate mail on, can you still use your thieving skills while wearing it? Dumb question I know, but sometimes you just gotta ask'em.
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but unfortunately there is a slight "flaw" in this characters build; if you dual at level 13 fighter, and go into a thief, that thief class will need to hit 3 080 000 XP before you get your first high level ability which technically means you will have to be at 4 330 000 XP before you get your first high level ability
this is one of the drawbacks about dual classing because how HLAs work for dual class characters is that you still have to wait until you hit the 3 million+ mark before you can get your HLAs, so that is something to consider
if you can't wait that long, why not just play a swashbuckler instead? you get thief abilities right at level 1 and keep them all the way to level 40, and every 5 levels you get that +1 to hit/to damage/AC with another +1 bonus to AC at level 1
granted your weapon choices aren't much if you want attacks per round ( you basically have to use scarlet ninto-jo and belm for some APR ) but you will have great AC, your to hit should be pretty good, and your to damage will also be pretty good
Seriously? I thought that it was 3,080,000 TOTAL, not that in my second class... but still, like I said above, you gotta think about this as well...
5 pips in long sword and bastard sword. You can go either flametonge and the answerer or, because of use any item, foebane and purifier.
and the reason why i was suggesting the swashbuckler was only if you wanted to get your HLA at the 3 million mark and still hitting basically as hard as a kensai/thief would as apposed to waiting until you hit the 4.33 million mark
i recall in the past making many a "thief archers" that were level 7 fighters that dualled over to thief and at max level with the best items and bows and arrows they were hitting around -2 for thac0, which isnt bad for fodder, but anything that actually has some AC you will struggle against, which is especially not good for a melee character ( not too bad if its a ranged character )
Here is from a Swashie that I had but haven't gotten back to in a while.
AC, THAC0, damage and number of attacks are all good. It is a matter of preference and I have done Kensai>Thief, but I can't see where it is much better. 1 ten second Improved Haste and I was able to kill all but one of the monsterknights. With Kensai>Thief I would just be getting armor, bracers and HLAs, With Swashi I already have 7 no, 8 HLAs.
Although... looking at the Swashbuckler did give me an idea... If, and I do stress IF, I was a cheating cheater whom cheats, …… I do wonder what a Kensai13/Swashbuckler39 would be like? I do so wonder...
but speaking about that, there was someone who did a swashbuckler level 25 dualled over to fighter level 26 and it was beast mode ( the HP was a little weak ) but the AC, thac0 and to damage was insane plus you can grand master in any weapon you wish
And why did that guy wait until level 25 to Duel? That's like 3.3 million. Level 26 of fighter was all the rest of his EXP...
because a level 25 swashbuckler has UAI, +6 bonus to AC, +5 bonus to hit/to damage, and then those fighter levels give him 7 fighter HLA
indeed, it is not quite practical to do so with a party of 6 since you will need to grind mindlessly to hit that 8 million XP mark to make it work, but if you use some "not so canny" exploits ( like just having your char and a wizard and writing but loads of spells for some hyper huge level advancement ) you can unlock this character before the end of ToB
i believe the build was more for lol purposes than anything, but the end result was still quite cool none the less
Oh, and I did the Cheating Cheater Math... It's... Ok, if I DID use EEKEEPER to do this, and I went 13Kensai/39Swashbuckler, here's the breakdown of it at Level 40:
-10 to AC
+11 to hit and Damage
-3 Speed Factor
Kai X4
Grand Mastery in up to two weapons
Whirlwind Attack XInfintiy instead of Assassination X1
Use Any Item!
A really good base Attack, Loads of HP and some very decent saves that cane be buffed by HLAS...
All this and MORE!!!
Um, is it wrong to want to cheat? I mean, it's not like I'm hurting anyone, right?
My wet dream is a drow swashbuckler/kensai/dragondisciple multi. Played without level cap and with the “multi fighters can grandmaster” option enabled.
Yes its daft - but its just a game. Play it how you like it.
The primary draw of the Kensai->Thief isn't the AC, the Thac0 or the damage per hit. It's the improved backstabs thanks to the Kensai damage boni and Kai. A Swashbuckler can't backstab at all. And even if you don't care about backstabbing dualling from Kensai even at 7 will give you 1/2 APR plus the bonus APR from weapon specialization - something you don't benefit from if you pick Swashbuckler.
being completely unstoppable right out of the gate with nothing that can challenge you just bores me, even though i am power gamer extraordinaire, i like to earn my OPness not have it given to me
even more ironically i like taking weaker type teams and try and power game them as hard as i can just for the lerz
now adays if i use cheats it is just to add a little flair to the game to keep it interesting; like having a fighter/mage/thief halfling of making an elf that is a cleric/conjurer or priest of lothander/mage or even just changing my sprite to jon irenicus when im a monk ( which is actually amazing because he does indeed have a melee attack with that sprite ) or i will use cheats to unbreak the game aka bugs that i run into that can be fixed with cheats, or if i accidentally messed up on a proficiency or ability i can use EE keeper to quickly fix it
but to use cheats to make me noticeably stronger than i should be, meh, i try and keep away from that or else i will get bored with the character
this is also another reason why i MUST roll my stats for every character, any time i use the crt+8 or ee keeper to set my ability scores i pretty much lost interest in that character
its funny really, but when i play the bg games my bond with my character starts in the ability rolling screen, i MUST earn that roll of 90 or 88 or 95, it was the first step of making that character great, knowing that they will be going out into the world to kick butt, especially if i roll a character for an hour, thats an hour that i invested in that character and it gives me even more motivation to use that character
if i use cheats to make my character without earning that "possible" roll of 98, there was no investment in that character, there was no pre bond made, even though 5 18s ( or some 19s ) and the one 10 looks cool, but if it wasn't earned then it means nothing to me
That said, while I am Still leaning towards my original idea, the Swashbuckler is beginning to temp me... I have look into that more when I have more time...
Honestly the main things that my idea has that Swashbuckler doesn't is exceptional strength, grand mastery and I'll get double the attacks. And, while yes, I'm willing to wait for it, because IF I'm right on my timing, then I'd be dueling into thief right about the time I lose Yoshi, and 880,000 exp isn't that long at that point, having the thieving skills since go does appeal to me as well. So, it's now a question of, better fighting abilities, or more thieving abilities. I'll pick my party members and see which way it'll would work out better... and now that I'm thinking of it... if I went Swashbuckler from the start, I wouldn't need to find a rouge to replace Imoen in TOD. I usually use that Gnome Cleric Thief who's name is escaping me at the moment, but if I was a swashbuckler then... damn, that's almost too good an argument right there for swashbuckler...
Hell with it. Swashbuckler it is. That last thing sealed my fate.
Also I think I'll go against the conventional wisdom of wielding Scareltt and Whelm. Nope Off Handing Angurvadal (22 STR!) and Main Handing The Answerer, possibly my very favorite 1handed weapon. I mean look at it's effect!
- Each hit lowers the target's Magic Resistance by 15% for 4 rounds (bypass MR, no save)
- Each hit penalizes the target's Armor Class by 2 for 4 rounds (bypass MR, no save)
It's broken in my opinion. But I'll take it!also, you might not have to wield angurvadal in ToB because if you have starting 18 STR in BG1 use the tome, hit 19, then in SoA hit 21 with the hell trial and then use MoLtM in ToB you will hit 22 STR, so no need for angurvadal unless you want to be immune to level drain with the upgraded version
Nice that you help out your mom.
Class: Son
Kit: Handyman
Level: 20?
Weapon proficiencies: Um, Tape measure? Hammer? Pips to be determined?
Special Abilities: Still has all fingers.
HLA: Handyman’s Butt Crack
Seriously, I think that it is pretty cool that you help your mom. Worthy cause for putting off Baldur’s Gate.